Junior rankings

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Junior rankings

paulisi · Tennis legend

If you exclude 97's from the rankings (it's only a month away) - it looks a lot healthier for the boys

New Current
13 25 CLARKE, Jay
38 63 MOORE, Ewan
85 131 CANTER, Alexis
87 134 STORRIE, Ryan James
136 205 GRAY, Alastair
144 219 HAMMOND, Luke
145 220 BASS, Finn
150 228 MOLLOY, Jack
155 234 DRAPER, Ben
166 250 BROOM, Charles
174 262 PERRIN, Lawrence
218 317 STEWART, Max
330 450 HERSEY, Jake
333 453 MCHUGH, Aidan
336 457 DAVIS, James
364 491 STORY, Matthew
371 499 NEWMAN, Louis
409 551 JONES, Adam
411 553 DAVIES, Will
413 555 PURSER, Luke
442 589 LUMSDEN, Ewen
462 610 GSCHWENDTNER, Jeremy
477 630 TYLER, Joe
488 649 PARKER, Alexander Carlos

and for the girls: (there are a lot less 97's on the junior circuit)

4 4 SWAN, Katie
48 57 LUMSDEN, Maia
63 78 LAZIC, Ema
127 157 AXON, Georgina
160 194 COLLINS, Ali
175 211 JONES, Francesca
177 213 BURRAGE, Jodie Anna
235 273 JOHN-BAPTISTE, Lauryn
266 304 APPLETON, Emily
267 305 MALONEY, Eliz
301 345 RICHARDSON, Eden
309 355 DAVIES, Megan
363 416 MIKHEEVA, Anastasia
374 428 LAWSON, Georgia
416 472 VERDEN ANDERSON, Camille
475 542 HEATH, Gemma
501 571 REYNOLDS, Lily

-- Edited by paulisi on Thursday 3rd of December 2015 12:47:25 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Thanks for doing that, Paulisi.

As per the Eddie Herr site, I'd done a rough count version for those near the 100 mark but it's way better to see it official-like...

paulisi · Tennis legend

It is interesting to see that the cyclical thing may be happening again with the boys outperforming the girls, especially with 3 or 4 of the girls likely to focus on senior tennis

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Paulsi thank you very much for going to the effort to put this together, given the present criticism of the current crop of juniors in the press which must be pretty disheartening for those actually playing and coaching at the coal face this truer reflection of the present situation is very helpful.

I think comparing the boys with girls at any given point is very difficult as the present crop of 13 year old girls could easily be equated with the present crop of 17 year old boys when it comes to transitioning to senior tennis in 4-5 years time.

paulisi · Tennis legend

It's very easy to do - i'll run another off after the Orange Bowl- which will be effectively the end of the season.

indiana · Tennis legend

While interesting to see, and thanks for doing that, paulisi, hopefully not but all things being equal that could look a bit of a highpoint for the guys come later in the year, at the top end anyway. Also, of course, they may increasingly concentrate on seniors next year.

I just say that, because the first 6 are 1998 born ( Luke admittedly a December '98 ) and so entering their final junior years and one would generally expect the younger boys to be more progressing up the rankings.

Finn Bass ( October, so quite recently just turned 16 ) and Jack Molloy ( July ) head the 1999 born in the rankings and be very interesting to see how they do, maybe particularly Finn who I believe was out for a while.

So while such as Jay, Ewan, Alexis and Ryan have progressed well, Jay particularly, and I somehow particularly think there is quite a bit more to come from Ryan, I don't personally think the boys are outperforming the girls or close to it.

The 1998s look a better group than the couple of years that followed the Kyle / Luke / Evan / Cameron 1995 year. But the girls have been and continue to produce at least a couple of really good looking prospects each year ( to now Ali Collins and Francesca Jones in the 2000 borns ).

Plus the boys have had very little impact at all in seniors so far and that is relative to other countries and taking account of later development.

No, the girls still clearly have it for me in actual potential, and the boys still a relative concern if some better signs, whatever might initially be read into these early 2016 rankings. I tend to look at the junior boys and girls and think who do I really see as future senior top 500ers and beyond.

Come on the boys and girls !

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 3rd of December 2015 04:26:04 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Alexis and Ryan are up 2 and 3 places respectively.

But Young Finn Bass has made it into the top 200

Finn (1999) +28 to JWR 192
Alastair Gray +9 to JWR 196
James Davis +24 to JWR 433

Also, our younger girls making a move:

Georgie Axon (1999) +31 to JWR 126
Ali Collins (2000) +5 to JWR 189
Lauryn J-B (1999) +14 to JWR 259
Jonea Bach (2001) +123 to JWR 726

paulisi · Tennis legend

End of year rankings:

26 CLARKE, Jay +1 GBR 27 Jul 1998 42 616.25
69 MOORE, Ewan -1 GBR 09 Mar 1998 40 390.00
132 CANTER, Alexis -3 GBR 03 Jun 1998 39 275.00
135 STORRIE, Ryan James -4 GBR 28 Feb 1998 36 272.50
191 BASS, Finn +1 GBR 09 Oct 1999 28 226.25
196 GRAY, Alastair 0 GBR 22 Jun 1998 36 221.25
200 CANNELL, Joel 0 GBR 27 Nov 1997 18 220.00
201 OAKLEY, Luke 0 GBR 29 May 1997 19 220.00
216 HAMMOND, Luke +2 GBR 08 Dec 1998 14 208.75
223 MOLLOY, Jack +3 GBR 22 Jul 1999 25 203.75
229 DRAPER, Ben +4 GBR 19 Oct 1998 29 197.50
242 GRAY, Jonathan +5 GBR 09 Apr 1997 21 191.25
245 BROOM, Charles +5 GBR 24 Apr 1998 28 190.00
258 PERRIN, Lawrence +6 GBR 09 Feb 1998 25 186.25
317 STEWART, Max +2 GBR 05 Jan 1999 29 156.25
429 DAVIS, James +4 GBR 10 Dec 1998 31 121.25
451 HERSEY, Jake +2 GBR 21 May 2000 27 116.25
454 MCHUGH, Aidan +2 GBR 09 Jul 2000 27 116.25
489 STORY, Matthew +4 GBR 25 May 1998 19 110.00
497 NEWMAN, Louis +4 GBR 13 Sep 1998 23 107.50

3 SWAN, Katie +1 GBR 24 Mar 1999 23 985.00
34 ARBUTHNOTT, Emily -2 GBR 03 Oct 1997 32 537.50
56 LUMSDEN, Maia +1 GBR 10 Jan 1998 29 431.25
77 LAZIC, Ema +2 GBR 28 Dec 1998 27 365.00
125 AXON, Georgina +1 GBR 26 May 1999 33 295.00
187 COLLINS, Ali +2 GBR 27 May 2000 28 231.25
208 JONES, Francesca +1 GBR 19 Sep 2000 26 220.00
212 BURRAGE, Jodie Anna -1 GBR 28 May 1999 20 217.50
256 JOHN-BAPTISTE, Lauryn +3 GBR 26 Jul 1999 20 188.75
303 APPLETON, Emily 0 GBR 01 Sep 1999 23 168.75
304 MALONEY, Eliz 0 GBR 10 Aug 2000 23 168.75
344 RICHARDSON, Eden 0 GBR 03 Sep 1998 17 152.50
357 DAVIES, Megan -2 GBR 02 Mar 1999 18 150.00
418 MIKHEEVA, Anastasia 0 GBR 28 May 1999 19 127.50
473 VERDEN ANDERSON, Camille +1 GBR 04 Feb 1999 27 115.00
480 HUTCHINSON, Holly +2 GBR 11 Sep 1997 20 112.50
489 LAWSON, Georgia +2 GBR 06 Oct 1998 16 110.00

paulisi · Tennis legend

Excluding 97's
3 SWAN, Katie
46 LUMSDEN, Maia
62 LAZIC, Ema
104 AXON, Georgina
155 COLLINS, Ali
173 JONES, Francesca
177 BURRAGE, Jodie Anna
219 JOHN-BAPTISTE, Lauryn
266 APPLETON, Emily
267 MALONEY, Eliz
302 RICHARDSON, Eden
313 DAVIES, Megan
367 MIKHEEVA, Anastasia
420 VERDEN ANDERSON, Camille
433 LAWSON, Georgia
484 HEATH, Gemma

15 CLARKE, Jay
44 MOORE, Ewan
86 CANTER, Alexis
88 STORRIE, Ryan James
132 BASS, Finn
135 GRAY, Alastair
145 HAMMOND, Luke
150 MOLLOY, Jack
154 DRAPER, Ben
167 BROOM, Charles
176 PERRIN, Lawrence
222 STEWART, Max
315 DAVIS, James
335 HERSEY, Jake
338 MCHUGH, Aidan
366 STORY, Matthew
373 NEWMAN, Louis
411 JONES, Adam
412 DAVIES, Will
414 PURSER, Luke
440 LUMSDEN, Ewen
464 GSCHWENDTNER, Jeremy
479 TYLER, Joe
491 PARKER, Alexander Carlos

paulisi · Tennis legend

On slightly strange anecdote that I was discussing with Steven on Twitter is that the year end ITF rankings compared to the current rankings on the ITF differ significantly for the boys. The girls look correct.

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

The year end junior rankings are not the same thing as current rankings at the end of the year!!

To be included in them, a player has to have played a certain number of Grade A events and a set number of events outside,of their own country. Will need to look up the rules to be more specific.

paulisi · Tennis legend

That would make sense then and something I wasn't aware of.

steven · Tennis legend

The Optimist wrote:
The year end junior rankings are not the same thing as current rankings at the end of the year!!
To be included in them, a player has to have played a certain number of Grade A events and a set number of events outside,of their own country. Will need to look up the rules to be more specific.

Ah, thanks, TO! I thought some of the GB boys' rankings looked a bit higher than I expected when I saw the year-end list but assumed I just hadn't been paying close enough attention recently until Paulisi tweeted me about it. I do vaguely remember this rule from previous years now you mention it and it would explain why the year-end rankings pdfs have columns showing the number of Grade A events played and the number of 'foreign' events played!

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

To be included in year end rankings

Play a minimum of 6 singles events

Must include 3 grade A events

Must include 3 events outside home country.

If you win a grade A event, it counts double (in terms of number of tournaments played). It also counts as a foreign tournament (even if held in your own country). So effectively, if a player wins a grand slam or other grade A event, they may be included in the year end rankings even if at first sight it seems that they haven't met the criteria in terms of number of tournaments or location of tournaments.