Week 21 - French Open Grand Slam Qualifying- Paris, France Clay

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Week 21 - French Open Grand Slam Qualifying- Paris, France Clay

Jan · Hall of fame

JonH comes home wrote:
She lost ?!

Yes cry

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Katie loses 10 point tie break 10-3 . What is it with our players as with Sonay they lose after serving for the match.

Crispy · Strong Club Player

Sigh. Ok, well at least she looks fit and healthy. Everyone on to the grass, get sharp!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
Katie loses 10 point tie break 10-3 . What is it with our players as with Sonay they lose after serving for the match.

Yes but what about: what was it with Kreuger that she served for it and blew a 5-2 lead?

There's plenty of player that blink at the last minute....

There were a lot of breaks in that last set - I don't think Katie getting broken at 6-5 is any different from Kreuger getting broken when she served for it

BUT that was a poor tiebreak..... :(

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

It will be the first time since 2008 that we will have no representatives in the women's main draw in Paris.Jacquemot is the curse of our players in Paris as she beat Heather in the 1st round in 2022

Var · Pro player

GAMEOVER wrote:
It will be the first time since 2008 that we will have no representatives in the women's main draw in Paris.Jacquemot is the curse of our players in Paris as she beat Heather in the 1st round in 2022

To be honest are you surprised? I thought realistically Fran was our only strong hope but injury put paid to that, which was a shame. The rest of the British women are well down the rankings and were beaten by better and stronger players. I am pinning my hope on the Juniors where we have direct entrants before you get to qualies. They are the future ...apart from a certain ER who can play at this level when she is fit. COmpared to the men thought British womans tennis is not in a good place without ER.

Rich2310 · County player

However you look at it this is just a really poor result for the British women's game. To have nobody in the first round feels depressing as much as we support them all. You have to wonder if there were no wild cards handed out for Wimbledon just how many would get through qualifying there. Something really needs to change.

foobarbaz · Strong Club Player

Coup Droit wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Katie loses 10 point tie break 10-3 . What is it with our players as with Sonay they lose after serving for the match.
Yes but what about: what was it with Kreuger that she served for it and blew a 5-2 lead?
There's plenty of player that blink at the last minute....
There were a lot of breaks in that last set - I don't think Katie getting broken at 6-5 is any different from Kreuger getting broken when she served for it
BUT that was a poor tiebreak..... :(

It would be interesting to see the tournament statistics on who won the deciding 3rd set tie-break vs. who served in the preceding game

It might reveal that the player who lost the service game is at a disadvantage in the subsequent tie break?

I'm guessing, it just takes a tiny drop in service power and/or slightly poorer placement, brought on by anxiety, and the receiver has a chance to fire the ball back at the player still recovering from the service action.

indiana · Tennis legend

Not good at all.

But for me a bit much to virtually write off all but Emma and wait for the juniors to come through.

This remains a historically relatively strong group numberswise who during last year ( 29th June ) achieved the best GB top 10 average ranking in at least 30 years, maybe ever since we had WTA rankings ( best in the Strongest Nation thread and a forum member looked at equivalent stats going back well into last century ).

Of course with many of them we have often been disappointed and wish they could play near their best much more often ( though I would guess many other country fans feel similarly ). And in general many will have hoped for a bit more by now. But they as a GB group are not that bad.

Not great recently or here and that top 10 average ranking figure of 161.0 at 27/06/22 is now 190.9 at 22/05/23. Plus we have no top 100 players although clearly Emma is a top 100 player when fit and well.

I'd much prefer to bear with them. Jodie for one has most certainly made good progress over the last year.

On to the grass ...

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Var wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
It will be the first time since 2008 that we will have no representatives in the women's main draw in Paris.Jacquemot is the curse of our players in Paris as she beat Heather in the 1st round in 2022
To be honest are you surprised? I thought realistically Fran was our only strong hope but injury put paid to that, which was a shame. The rest of the British women are well down the rankings and were beaten by better and stronger players. I am pinning my hope on the Juniors where we have direct entrants before you get to qualies. They are the future ...apart from a certain ER who can play at this level when she is fit. COmpared to the men thought British womans tennis is not in a good place without ER.

But the trouble is they are always the future. We are always told the next great thing is just down the line.

Which was true with Emma, I guess ..... and she's still there, she hasn't disappeared off the face of the earth, she may be back and fine next year

In our juniors, only Hannah Klugman is truly exceptional

The others are all very good prospects, but only in and along with all the other countries' very good prospects.

And Hannah is so very young

Yes, it's poor....

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 24th of May 2023 05:38:59 PM

foobarbaz · Strong Club Player

Coup Droit wrote:
Var wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
It will be the first time since 2008 that we will have no representatives in the women's main draw in Paris.Jacquemot is the curse of our players in Paris as she beat Heather in the 1st round in 2022
To be honest are you surprised? I thought realistically Fran was our only strong hope but injury put paid to that, which was a shame. The rest of the British women are well down the rankings and were beaten by better and stronger players. I am pinning my hope on the Juniors where we have direct entrants before you get to qualies. They are the future ...apart from a certain ER who can play at this level when she is fit. COmpared to the men thought British womans tennis is not in a good place without ER.
But the trouble is they are always the future. We are always told the next great thing is just down the line.
Which was true with Emma, I guess ..... and she's still there, she hasn't disappeared off the face of the earth, she may be back and fine next year
In our juniors, only Hannah Klugman is truly exceptional
The others are all very good prospects, but only in and along with all the other countries' very good prospects.
And Hannah is so very young
Yes, it's poor....

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 24th of May 2023 05:38:59 PM

I don't think we should write off our top players, on the basis of the results on clay. I think, if anything, the heightened fitness levels of all elite tennis players, makes it more difficult than ever for our players to excel on a slow surface (clay) that isn't conducive to their game style.

-- Edited by foobarbaz on Wednesday 24th of May 2023 05:52:20 PM

Rich2310 · County player

Yes, we do tend to dress it up here instead of saying straight out. Our girls have made progress. That is true. But that makes it all the more disappointing that not one can get through qualifying. It just always feels like the same old stuff again. But I still support them and want all of them to do well. But no window dressing. This is poor.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

foobarbaz wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Var wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
It will be the first time since 2008 that we will have no representatives in the women's main draw in Paris.Jacquemot is the curse of our players in Paris as she beat Heather in the 1st round in 2022
To be honest are you surprised? I thought realistically Fran was our only strong hope but injury put paid to that, which was a shame. The rest of the British women are well down the rankings and were beaten by better and stronger players. I am pinning my hope on the Juniors where we have direct entrants before you get to qualies. They are the future ...apart from a certain ER who can play at this level when she is fit. COmpared to the men thought British womans tennis is not in a good place without ER.
But the trouble is they are always the future. We are always told the next great thing is just down the line.
Which was true with Emma, I guess ..... and she's still there, she hasn't disappeared off the face of the earth, she may be back and fine next year
In our juniors, only Hannah Klugman is truly exceptional
The others are all very good prospects, but only in and along with all the other countries' very good prospects.
And Hannah is so very young
Yes, it's poor....

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 24th of May 2023 05:38:59 PM
I don't think we should write off our top players, on the basis of the results on clay. I think, if anything, the heightened fitness levels of all elite tennis players, makes it more difficult than ever for our players to excel on a slow surface (clay) that isn't conducive to their game style.

-- Edited by foobarbaz on Wednesday 24th of May 2023 05:52:20 PM

I'm not writing them off

I believe Katie B, Katie Swan, Jodie and Harriet could all be back in the top-100 without too much trouble.

But why do you think that clay isn't conducive to any of our players' game styles? Surely that seems a little too neat to be true. Or maybe why aren't we producing players who DO have a game that is conducive to clay?

And it's hardly an excuse for our players that heightened levels of fitness of others is causing our ones to lose..... it's an even playing field..... everyone can get fit...

We will definitely do better on grass. That's mainly because we will get wildcards and if you're in it, you can win it, a funny match here and there makes all the difference. And one or two players may have a run. It'll be a lot better and that will be great.

But doing better on grass, with the LTA and AELTC behind you, isn't really what it's all about

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q2: BOULTER, Katie (GBR) (24) 135 lost to KRUEGER, Ashlyn (USA) 148 2-6 6-2 6-7[6-10]
Q2: JONES, Francesca (GBR) PR 319 lost to In-Albon, Ylena (SUI) (21) 132 1-4 Ret.
Q2: DART, Harriet (GBR) (28) 139 lost to JACQUEMOT, Elsa (FRA) 174 6-1 1-6 2-6