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Yes, how out of touch with reality is Wimbledon in proposnhg asking for some form of declaration?!  Gee 



 


It's not the AELTC proposing it. Its the British sports minister.


 Sorry, I misinterpreted. I guess a government minister being out of touch with reality is not so surprising. Crazy stuff.



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Yep. The Culture Secretary didn't even know this week that Channel 4 was not a BBC publicly funded entity

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I realise some disagree. It is now too much that Russian players are still being allowed to play. It is not their personal fault but the atrocities being committed in their countries name make it impossible for me to see them playing professional tennis. They should , as they should have been weeks ago, suspended from all play on tour until further notice.


I disagree,  and with the Wimbledon proposal that players make some kind of declaration.  The latter placing the players at risk of reprisals for ever.  

 


 But Jon's suggested would get round the declaration and reprisals problem (which, I agree, is a serious problem)

If they were banned, they'd be no issue


 Yes, you are right, but  it still doesn't sit right with me that   we trigger more suffering and possibly hardship by banning all Russian players, and the knock on effect to their teams and families.  I appreciate that  it is relatively  mild compared with the killings and injuries and  trauma that is being experience in Ukraine right now (on both sides).   There is always unintentional collateral damage occurring where warfare takes place but  to knowingly  create harm  based on  a  'principle'  rather than an actual threat is questionable in humanitarian  ethics (to me anyway). 



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Julia Carrot wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Julia Carrot wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

I realise some disagree. It is now too much that Russian players are still being allowed to play. It is not their personal fault but the atrocities being committed in their countries name make it impossible for me to see them playing professional tennis. They should , as they should have been weeks ago, suspended from all play on tour until further notice.


I disagree,  and with the Wimbledon proposal that players make some kind of declaration.  The latter placing the players at risk of reprisals for ever.  

 


 But Jon's suggested would get round the declaration and reprisals problem (which, I agree, is a serious problem)

If they were banned, they'd be no issue


 Yes, you are right, but  it still doesn't sit right with me that   we trigger more suffering and possibly hardship by banning all Russian players, and the knock on effect to their teams and families.  I appreciate that  it is relatively  mild compared with the killings and injuries and  trauma that is being experience in Ukraine right now (on both sides).   There is always unintentional collateral damage occurring where warfare takes place but  to knowingly  create harm  based on  a  'principle'  rather than an actual threat is questionable in humanitarian  ethics (to me anyway). 


 It would make a good episode of the Good Place - should people from aggressive nations be banned from the Good Place even if it isnt their personal responsibility ?! 



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Russian athletes represent Russia, either overtly or implicitly. Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to participate on the world stage unless it is clear that they are not representing Russia.

The Olympics demonstrated very effectively that Russians competing under a notionally neutral flag were still representing Russia, so a more explicit form of denial must be found, in my view. Then, like Mr Djokovic, athletes have the choice of not competing or competing having had their national status clarified.

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... Mr Djokovic is relevant as he also had the choice of meeting the requirement or not competing.

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Very disturbing incident in Cincinnati where a spectator at a women's match in which Russian players were playing, was ejected because she was carrying a Ukranian flag. She was not causing any disturbance and was just sitting watching, but the Russian players complained to the umpire and when the spectator refused to leave voluntarily, she was then instructed to leave but court marshals.

twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1559251912314208257

The officials in the end, tried to justify the request to leave by claiming 'the flag was of larger dimensions than is permitted'.

Sorry, but this is just plain wrong.



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Monday 15th of August 2022 07:59:40 PM

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Bob in Spain wrote:

Very disturbing incident in Cincinnati where a spectator at a women's match in which Russian players were playing, was ejected because she was carrying a Ukranian flag. She was not causing any disturbance and was just sitting watching, but the Russian players complained to the umpire and when the spectator refused to leave voluntarily, she was then instructed to leave but court marshals.

twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1559251912314208257

The officials in the end, tried to justify the request to leave by claiming 'the flag was of larger dimensions than is permitted'.

Sorry, but this is just plain wrong.



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Monday 15th of August 2022 07:59:40 PM


 Ridiculous. For a country that likes to think of itself as land of the free etc, the USA does seem to have got itself a little confused in terms of its views of how to handle this whole thing within tennis. Im surprised reading the tweets in response to Ben that a lot of People commenting from other European countries like Germany are also coming against the lady with the flag. 

strange views and IMO , well done to her. 



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JonH comes home wrote:
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Cant copy it but Twitter photos of Dayana Yastrzemska and her sister evacuating Kyiv after two nights in a car park, leaving her parents behind. Very emotional pictures and text.

Wish them well.


 Yastramenska went to Bucharest and then the WTA event in Lyon gave her a wild card and she is now in the main draw there. Must surreal. 



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Sunday 27th of February 2022 07:19:39 AM


 Jon , I was just rereading these posts and somehow Yastremska played her best tennis at Lyon. How she played as well as she did was remarkable. Later reality seemed to set in and her form has completely fallen away in recent tournaments. Certainly against Donna Vekic at Eastbourne she gave the impression she did not want to be there. It cannot be easy when you have to flee a country in circumstances where you could be killed and your family is split up. Yastremska , her sister and mother are in the south of France and her father is in Odesa. The tennis centre in Kyiv was destroyed . Very sad all round.



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GAMEOVER wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
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Cant copy it but Twitter photos of Dayana Yastrzemska and her sister evacuating Kyiv after two nights in a car park, leaving her parents behind. Very emotional pictures and text.

Wish them well.


 Yastramenska went to Bucharest and then the WTA event in Lyon gave her a wild card and she is now in the main draw there. Must surreal. 



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Sunday 27th of February 2022 07:19:39 AM


 Jon , I was just rereading these posts and somehow Yastremska played her best tennis at Lyon. How she played as well as she did was remarkable. Later reality seemed to set in and her form has completely fallen away in recent tournaments. Certainly against Donna Vekic at Eastbourne she gave the impression she did not want to be there. It cannot be easy when you have to flee a country in circumstances where you could be killed and your family is split up. Yastremska , her sister and mother are in the south of France and her father is in Odesa. The tennis centre in Kyiv was destroyed . Very sad all round.


 In early September Dayana Yastremska returned to her home in Odesa. Seemingly just for a short stay. 



-- Edited by GAMEOVER on Tuesday 6th of September 2022 10:19:10 AM

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I have no idea of the validity of this thread, but rather hope that it is accurate. Reporting that Russians themselves are beginning to stand up to Putin.

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1568611521508556800


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Bob in Spain wrote:

I have no idea of the validity of this thread, but rather hope that it is accurate. Reporting that Russians themselves are beginning to stand up to Putin.

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1568611521508556800


 So much fake news about the whole thing - don't know who to trust - I'll  ask Boris. confuse



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Bob in Spain wrote:

I have no idea of the validity of this thread, but rather hope that it is accurate. Reporting that Russians themselves are beginning to stand up to Putin.

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1568611521508556800


In the end, Sky News was picking up this story late last night, so I have to think that this is valid.



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This tweet from Gary Kasparov had me laughing out loud this morning.

twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1575661472155406337



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This is outrageous - if true players like RBA should be suspended from the tour

Russian company Formula TX, which runs ATP & WTA events in St. Petersburg, has announced a tennis team event - The North Palmira Trophies, December 1-4

The line-up, acc to rus media, includes players like Kudermetova, Bautista Agut, Majoli & Tipsarevic as captains

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