US College Signings and General College Chat 2021/22

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

US College Signings and General College Chat 2021/22

Tennpar · Strong Club Player

Had a match point too cry

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Fery also lost his doubles final, nonetheless a solid week for him. Onwards!

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Coup Droit wrote:
Paolo Revelli was director of Morgan Stanley for ages, and now has some investment firm - I think it's safe to say there's a fair bit of money there

Great that Giacomo is continuing his tennis and doing well, he's got some good qualities.

However, he did do a US tennis scholarship video:

www.youtube.com/watch

So wonder why that didn't happen?

Possibly a mismatch between player expectations and college offers? Looks as if Giacomo took a gap year, to raise his UTR by playing ITFs and training in Italy. Allegedly some of the Fall 2022 signees expectations have had to be downgraded, especially on the mens side, with budget cuts and the extra year of eligibility making the process a lot more competitive

Link below looks at the range of player ratings from Fall 2019 across all collegiate divisions: D1, D2, D3, NAIA, CCCAA, and NJCIA; and then went even deeper to showcase the UTR Rating ranges for men and women within each division

https://blog.universaltennis.com/2019/11/13/data-deep-dive-range-of-utrs-in-college-tennis/
To reach the dream of playing D1 mens tennis, a player will likely need to be a 12+ on UTR. As there are fewer scholarships available to male tennis players than female college players at the collegiate level, so many strong players in middle and lower lineups at D1 schools are partial scholarship players. To be an upper lineup player that is recruited with a full ride scholarship, a player will likely need to be 13 UTR. Top players on the top teams in NCAA D2 and NCAA D3 mens tennis teams are at a similar level to many D1 players. To be recruited on a full ride scholarships, in D2, a player will likely need to be a 12 UTR player, with players at 11+ UTR getting recruited for partial scholarships, and 10+ UTR being the level of many lower lineup players. NCAA D3 and NAIA have more variability from top teams down to the lower level teams. The top players and top teams are still at 12/13 UTR, but lower lineup players on weaker teams may be 8/9 UTR levels.

On the womens side, 11+ UTR is necessary for top D1 players. Highly recruited mid major players are 9+ UTR level players. Top players on top D2, D3, and NAIA womens teams still come in at 10/11 UTR, with 7/8/9 level players being recruited for the middle and lower lineup spots. There are more full ride scholarships available on the womens side, so reaching at least the 8 level would indicate a highly recruited player. And as I said above, with the men, there is a larger drop off in D3 and NAIA to the lower lineup players on the lower level teams, which are generally 4/5/6 level UTR players.

https://www.highaltitudetennis.com/single-post/is-your-utr-high-enough-to-play-college-tennis

For those wanting to see where theyd fit within a team without having to pay for the privilege, the data is accessible on the CTR site.

http://collegetennisranks-webapp.azurewebsites.net/rankings/whatif/d1m Go to Teams heading to find list of each college, shows player, position in team , UTR

Elegant Point · Satellite level

JonH asked about the Level of College tennis players (see 2022/23 signings)

cya wrote:
Oh I'm going to go with 'It depends' , but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Elegant Point has done or is aware of some detailed research into this.

I say it depends because the level of college tennis is a combination of several factors like the conference you're playing in and also the position you're playing at. Power 5 conferences (Big 10, Big 12, ACC, PAC12 and SEC) tend to be the strongest conferences in the States with the strongest players playing at singles positions 1-3 /4. I wouldn't be surprised if players who have been in those conferences and at those positions are able to transition to some ITF 15ks comfortably or even progress into the latter stages of the 25ks . Alastair Gray (TCU /Big 12 conference) has recently done well in some ITF25ks in South Africa recently. And Giles Hussey who usually played at positions 4/5 at Tennessee/SEC has been making some in-roads at 15k. Arthur Fery, Toby Samuel also seems to be making some progress at 15k level when they've entered the events.

Worth noting also that some ITF 25ks might even be weaker than a 15k , but in general I would lean towards strong college tennis being like a ITF 15k with the odd exceptions here and there. Would be interesting to hear other people think

Cya has summed it up nicely. Over the last few years I have posted info on the level of college players on various college signing threads - to help potential college players gauge where they would fit and just for general interest

Those who are good enough to go pro at 18 eg Felix AA, wont bother with college. Brooksby spent a term at Baylor, but never played due to injury.

Cant resist sharing a few numbers (2020 data):

64 = Total number former college players in the top ATP 500

22= Total number former college players in the top ATP 200

58= Total number former college players between the top ATP 100 and 500

https://www.tennisacademy.pro/blog/college-tennis-vs-professional-tennis

For those interested in finding out more, a few links below:

Due to the high standard of college tennis, there is 0.6% chance of a USA high school tennis player (M and F) competing at a D1 college.

https://scholarshipstats.com/tennis Scholarship stats

https://no-adnoproblem.blogspot.com/ Blog Collegians on tour

https://www.tennisacademy.pro/blog/college-tennis-the-different-types-of-universities Diff types Unis

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Thank you cya and EP, very insightful! Is that your blog EP?

Elegant Point · Satellite level

JonH comes home wrote:
Is that your blog EP?

Lol - no, I simply wouldnt have the time. I think CD originally posted the link on here? Its written by a man called John https://twitter.com/JTweetsTennis

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Pretty quiet on the college tennis front at the moment, but Cracked Rackets have started their edition of the 2022 College Tennis Contenders, focusing on Kentucky mens tennis. A few years ago, Cracked Racquets introduced this series that highlighted the Oracle/ITA preseason top 10 mens tennis teams. This year, the CR Team voted to come up with their very own preseason rankings, and will be examining their top 10 squads.

Brit Millen Hurrion is still on the roster as a 5th year student, although he has spent the Fall playing ITFs

https://ukathletics.com/sports/mens-tennis/roster/millen-hurrion/9007

https://www.crackedracquets.com/college-contenders-men-10-kentucky-211116/

edited typo as the iPad not keen on Millens names hmm

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Sunday 5th of December 2021 04:51:33 PM

Elegant Point · Satellite level

TCU College contenders #8

The TCU Horned Frogs, led by Head Coach David Roditi have long been considered one of the elite college tennis programs in the country. That should not change at all in 2022, as the Frogs appear to be set up quite nicely for another deep postseason run.

Brits are Sophomore Jake Fearnley and Freshman Lui Maxted. Ali Gray was previously on the roster.

Possible line ups

Fearnley can be solid in the middle portion of the lineup. We also dont know exactly what type of impact the Frogs will get from Maxted

https://gofrogs.com/sports/mens-tennis/roster/jake-fearnley/14207

https://gofrogs.com/sports/mens-tennis/roster/lui-maxted/14214

https://www.crackedracquets.com/college-contenders-men-8-tcu-211202/

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Someone asked how good do you have to be to be a college tennis player - with a number of our student athletes playing Winter County Cup this week and also the Pro Tour over the summer, I have put together a table showing the singles UTR (used by college coaches as a recruiting tool) and the new WTN (see link below for info), The LTA website is a bit rubbish when searching by player names, some I could not find, or the player did not have a WTN.

Also included a few of our players at Uni in the UK for comparison

Winter C Cup	Player	College/UK uni	conference	UTR singles	WTN Singles/Doubles
Gp 1 Essex	Ed Pudney	Montana	Big Sky	12.08
	Alex Groves
GP 1 Kent	James Davis	Denver	Summit	12.62	3.4/2.7
	Matt Summers	Denver	Summit	12.63	3.7/3.2
	Nick Brookes	Northwestern (g)	Big 10	13.05	3.1/3.33
Gp1 Yorks	Finn Murgett	Auburn	Southeastern	12.67	3.5, 3.5
	Joe Newman-Billingtn	Loughborough	UK	12.36	3.8/3.5
Gp2 Surrey	Arthur Fery	Stanford	PAC-12(P)	13.8	Pro/pro
	Max basing	Stanford	PAC-12(P)		Pro/pro
	Harry Rock	Uni Memphis	Am Athletic		9.0/14.0
	Matt Beecher	Campbell	Big south	11.79	4.0/3.9
Gp2 Herts	Charlie Broom	Grad Baylor	Big 12	13.39	Pro/pro
	George Coupland	Grad Missispi St	SEC		3.0/3.0
	David Stevenson	U Memphis	Am Athletic	12.72	3.5/pro
	James Wilkinson	U Delaware	CAA	11.69	4.0/4.5
GP2 Midds	Josef Southcombe	New Mexico(left)	W Athl		4.3/pro
	Kyle Stocker	Oxford????	UK		5.6/9.2
	Alex Zucherman	UNC Greensbrgh	Southern	11.53	n/a
	Other college /UK uni

	Alex Maggs	New Mexico	W Athl	11.72	4.2/4.5
	Barny Smith	Florida State (grad transf)	ACC(P)	13.16	n/a
	Ben Draper	Wake Forest (grad transf)	ACC(P)	12.52	3.5/3.4
	Connor Thompson	S. Carolina	SEC (P)	13.06	n/a
	Charlie Pernman	Monmouth	MAAC	11.34	9.0/9.8
	Dan Martin	Elon (tranf Minnesota)	CAA	12.05	4.2/7.0
	Deji Thomas -Smith	Liberty	Atlantic sun	12.41	4.3/9.3
	Emile Hudd	U Tenessee(grad tranf)	Southeastern	13.26	Pro/pro
	Finn Bass	Baylor	Big 12 (P)	12.94	Pro/pro
	Gancomo Revelli	UCLA	PAC-12(P)	13.17	Pro/10.8
	Hamish Stewart	Georgia (grad traf)	Southeastern	13.53	3.1/3.3
	James Storey	S. Carolina (tranf Mphis)	SEC (P)	12.89	n/a
	Jacob Fearnley	TCU	Big12	13.22	Pro/3.1
	Joe Tyler	San Diego (tranf Iowa)	Big West	12.63	Pro/2.8
	Johannus Munday	Tennesse	Southeastern	13.51	n/a
	Josh Wilson	Liberty	Atl Sun	12.49
	Luke Petrovic	Tulane	Am Athletic	12.52	n/a
	Lui Maxted	TCU	Big12(P)	13	4.0/8.3
	Matt Clegg	Drake (tranf Iowa)	Summit	10.82	4.2/3.6
	Max Stewart	Oaklahoma	Big12(P)	12.58	3.7/3.3
	Oliver Tarvet	San Diego	Big West	12.64	3.9/7.0
	Oliver Nolan	Old Dom (grad tanf)	Conf USA	11.79	3.8/3.3
	Oscar Cutting	U Memphis	Am Athletic	12.57	4.8/3.8
	Peter Alum	Pacific (tranf Iowa)	West Coast	11.59	n/a
	Rahul Dokia	Texas A&M (tranf Baylor)	SEC (P)	12.76	4.1/5.7
	Sam Bossen	Penn State	Big 10 (P)	12.28	n/a
	Tad Maclean	Auburn	Southeastern	12.65	4.0/3.9
	Toby Samuel	S. Carolina	SEC (P)	13.22	3.9/3.6
	Will Davies	U San Diego (tranf Iowa)	Big West	12.48	3.9/pro
	Will Jansen	Yale	Ivy league	12.27	5.5/9.7
	Dan Little	Nottingham (grad tranf)	UK	13.38	Pro/pro
	Freddie Grant	Grad Grand canyon		11.75	5.9.7.3
	George Houghton	Loughborough	UK	13.02	Pro/pro
	Mike Shaw	Loughborough	UK	12.87	3.5/pro

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Strongbow · All-time great

Spotted this today

https://gopack.com/news/2021/10/1/womens-tennis-nell-miller-set-to-join-nc-state-womens-tennis-program.aspx

Apologies if it's already been posted.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Stanford College contenders #7
Brits are: Sophomore Arthur Fery and Fresher Max Basing

On paper, this is one of the best rosters in the entire country. Coach Goldstein can feel great about the experience of his squad, along with the skill and depth throughout the lineup

Fery was expected to come in and become one of the top players in the nation quickly, and he definitely played well overall. The United Kingdom native went 13-3 in singles, as well as 12-2 in doubles. Fery competed at each of the top-four singles positions, and all three doubles positions. Towards the end of the year, it seemed like he settled in at the #2 singles position and #3 doubles position with his partner, Rotsaert. Ferys results so far this fall have shown that hes ready to elevate his game even more and become a key cog at the top of the Cardinal lineup. He is a player that everyone should be watching closely in 2022.

Basing arrives from the United Kingdom and already has a UTR in the top 70 of all college tennis players, as of this fall. Hes gained some experience quickly, having played against ranked opponents like JJ Tracy (Ohio State), James Story (South Carolina), and Yuta Kikuchi (California) over the past couple of months. Even though he fell to Tracy and Kikuchi, Basing was able to edge out Story in two grueling tiebreakers

https://www.crackedracquets.com/college-contenders-men-7-stanford-211214/

Stanford women #7

Brit Emily Arbuthnot departed end of Spring semester after a 5th year - she is now at Uni of Cambridge

Stanford loses much of the connective tissue to their most recent 2018 and 2019 NCAA title squads with the departure of Emily Arbuthnutt, Emma Higuchi, and Janice Shin. These three played positions 4 through 6 in each of those title runs and combined for a 200-43 (82%) singles record in dual matches for the Cardinal.

https://www.crackedracquets.com/college-contenders-women-7-stanford-211214/

Strongbow · All-time great

Isn''t Angelica Blake still there ? Knew Emily was coming home - though who knows how much she;ll play.

Spelt Angelica's name wrong - old age. cry

-- Edited by Strongbow on Saturday 18th of December 2021 01:40:39 AM

Tennpar · Strong Club Player

Strongbow wrote:
Isn''t Angelica Blake still there ? Knew Emily was coming home - though who knows how much she;ll play.
Spelt Angelica's name wrong - old age.

-- Edited by Strongbow on Saturday 18th of December 2021 01:40:39 AM

Yes, Angelica's on the Stanford roster for 21-22. Played dubs in the ITA National Fall Championships with fellow Cardinal Connie Ma.

Tennpar · Strong Club Player

Following he ITA Kickoff Weekend qualifiers, the top 16 women's and top 16's men's college teams compete in the main winter season tournament later this week - the National Indoors in Wisconsin.

Each team is guaranteed at least 3 inter college match ups (each 6 singles & 3 doubles matches) so a good chance to evaluate the teams and players at the start of the dual match season proper, which culminates in the NCAA championships (team & individual) in May at the USTA National Campus in Orlando, Florida.

British interest in some of the teams (team seedings shown in brackets):

Auburn (14) Georgie Axon

Cal (4) Erin Richardson

Florida (13) Alicia Dudeney

North Carolina State (6) Nell Miller, Amelia Rajecki

Old Dominion (17) Sofia Johnson

-- Edited by Tennpar on Monday 7th of February 2022 11:15:16 PM

-- Edited by Tennpar on Monday 7th of February 2022 11:15:45 PM