Week 30 - St. James’s Place Battle of The Brits Team Tennis - NTC, Roehampton, United Kingdom (Hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Week 30 - St. James’s Place Battle of The Brits Team Tennis - NTC, Roehampton, United Kingdom (Hard)

ROSAMUND · Futures level

41 -32 to the Bulldogs at the end of the day.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

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UJs/BBs: Jodie Burrage WR 289 defeated Sarah Beth Grey WR 607 by 5 & 0
UJs/BBs: Naomi Broady WR 499 defeated Eden Silva WR 486 by 6-2 4-6 [10-6]
28-31
UJs/BBs: Lloyd Glasspool & Jamie Murray CR 205 (179+26) defeated Alastair Gray & Dominic Inglot CR 1055 (1002+53) by 7-6(5) 6-2
30-31 - the Union Jacks well & truly breathing down the Bulldogs' necks now. Excellent second set from Jamie & Lloyd.
UJs/BBs: Heather Watson WR 50 defeated Maia Lumsden WR 368 by 1 & 0
BBs/UJs: Cameron Norrie WR 77 defeated Ryan Peniston WR 393 by 7-5 3-6 [10-8]
33-32
BBs/UJs: Harriet Dart & Liam Broady CR 529 (220+309) defeated Katie Boulter & Lloyd Glasspool UNR (0+179) by 4 & 4
36-32
BBs/UJs: Kyle Edmund WR 44 defeated Daniel Evans WR 28 by 3 & 4
38-32

BBs/UJs: Johanna Konta & Cameron Norrie CR 460 (252+208) defeated Olivia Nicholls & Jamie Murray CR 418 (392+26) by 4 & 5

41-32

ROSAMUND · Futures level

JonH comes home wrote:
ROSAMUND wrote:
the addict wrote:
Draw is out, sorry can't post it as am on my phone.
Could be a massive comeback tomorrow, wouldn't be surprised if the Jacks take 14 of the 17 points on offer.
I had a look on the LTA site and as the singles go I would give the Jacks 4 points, the Bulldogs 3 and Dan v. Kyle for 2 points is anybodies guess. Similarly the mens doubles 2 to the Jacks and the mixed has 6 points which I assume you think will go to the Jacks. Dan seems to have a big singles every time he plays. No Emma tomorrow and Jo and Katie are just in the mixed.
Like you, I'm reckoning 12-5 tomorrow to UJs, so that would take them a point up.

Big turnaround and makes for an interesting finish, if it happens !

10-7 to the Bulldogs on the day. Mixed doubles made the difference. Jo serving a lot better today than her singles match against Katie.

Bagel · Lower Club Player

Individual results so far, after five days are, I think, as follows:

Harriet 3/4, Emma 3/5, Beth 3/6, Jo 2/3, Maia 2/4, Eden 0/5
Heather 5/7, Jodie 3/5, Naomi 3/6, Olivia 2/3 , Alicia 1/2, Katie 0/4

Cam 6/6, Joe 3/4, Kyle 3/4, Liam 2/4, Aiden 1/2, Alistair 1/4, Dom 1/5,
Lloyd 4/5, Jamie 3/7, Jan 2/3, Andy 1/2, Anton 1/3, Dan 1/6. Ryan 0/3,

cya · Strong Club Player

Bagel wrote:
Individual results so far, after five days are, I think, as follows:

Harriet 3/4, Emma 3/5, Beth 3/6, Jo 2/3, Maia 2/4, Eden 0/5
Heather 5/7, Jodie 3/5, Naomi 3/6, Olivia 2/3 , Alicia 1/2, Katie 0/4

Cam 6/6, Joe 3/4, Kyle 3/4, Liam 2/4, Aiden 1/2, Alistair 1/4, Dom 1/5,
Lloyd 4/5, Jamie 3/7, Jan 2/3, Andy 1/2, Anton 1/3, Dan 1/6. Ryan 0/3,

It's a team event I know but Cam is certainly looking like the player of the event at the moment. Heather has also turned up well for the UJs , however Cam having those two wins against Dan is a really good feat. Kudos to the lad! Dan hasn't really 'showed up' for his team - either in singles or doubles. He has been a supportive team member by the sidelines with the horn though, but I'm sure his team would prefer a win or more on court

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

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Emma and Jodie make their Court 1 debut (I think) in a rematch.

Dan vs Cam Part III

Quite good how they've split the women's matches up - you normally get a women's singles match kicking off both courts, but Katie-Beth, Emma-Jodie II could follow on, depending on how the respective first matches go.

the addict · Tennis legend

Some interesting matches on the schedule. Hard to pick out which ones to watch and which ones to skip so as not to spend the whole day on the sofa !
No sign of Eden - Harriet replaces her for the doubles with Beth.

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Only 2 mens and 2 womens singles tomorrow, other matches are doubles. Hopefully the scores will be close tomorrow to ensure live matches on Sunday when there are 8 singles matches in total. I wonder if Jo will be playing on Sunday or not as she has already fulfilled her commitment. It would be interesting if she played Heather. Dan and Cam meeting again. It's like a series in itself.

-- Edited by ROSAMUND on Friday 31st of July 2020 10:02:26 PM

Ian1314 · Lower Club Player

Bagel wrote:
I'm enjoying all aspects of the event with one marked exception. Some players (especially Dan Evans, Andy Murray and Liam Broady) seem to think that they are watching a football match. Examples are chanting, making off-putting noises between first and second serves, throwing water bombs on court, cheering errors including double faults, putting off players when moving under the guise of being a ballboy and booing a 17 year old girl onto court. They may think it's harmless banter but not all the players (especially not most of the women-some of who have been reduced to tears) enjoy this behaviour. Apparently there is no Match Referee but hopefully the umpires and team captains could put a stop to it. Supporting your own team is one thing but denigrating the other team is something very different.

-- Edited by Bagel on Friday 31st of July 2020 04:01:34 PM

I would tend to agree with this. Really enjoyed watching and listening to the players on the benches and find it amusing when they sound the horn, most of the time!

There have been times when the noise is inappropriate and could be intimidating.

This event has been so good in terms of giving the players match practice and giving the younger players the opportunity to play alongside and learn from the more experienced team-mates and opponents. I hope that they all benefit from this and that it does not end up being a negative experience for any of the players.

cya · Strong Club Player

Bagel wrote:
I'm enjoying all aspects of the event with one marked exception. Some players (especially Dan Evans, Andy Murray and Liam Broady) seem to think that they are watching a football match. Examples are chanting, making off-putting noises between first and second serves, throwing water bombs on court, cheering errors including double faults, putting off players when moving under the guise of being a ballboy and booing a 17 year old girl onto court. They may think it's harmless banter but not all the players (especially not most of the women-some of who have been reduced to tears) enjoy this behaviour. Apparently there is no Match Referee but hopefully the umpires and team captains could put a stop to it. Supporting your own team is one thing but denigrating the other team is something very different.

-- Edited by Bagel on Friday 31st of July 2020 04:01:34 PM

I suppose those players on the sidelines are trying to make up for the lack of crowd / spectators. Usually players on tour feed off the energy and noise of the crowd (noise which in most cases is more than the totality of the few horns and chants from the sidelines this week!) . Most of the players competing this week have an ATP or WTA ranking which makes me feel that they would have encountered louder atmospheres, and in fact maybe the occasional hostile crowd, before they got to this stage in their career. Even the 17 year old female player this week is WTA ranked 338; you don't get to 338 in the world playing by yourself in a bubble.

If it's getting intimidating , hopefully the captains will put a stop to it; but if its not causing any distress , then it's all part of the team spirit. It's pretty boring playing tennis , or any sport for that matter without some fun.

Smudge226 · Club Coach

Totally agree cya.. This is an invaluable experience for the younger brits in terms of exposure to competitive environment and a complete success!
A bit of friendly needle is absolutely necessary. Andy sat there with his air horn, laughing his head off behind his mask, great fun. The Kyle v Dan racket thing, again but I know the boys made up, it doesn't go any further. Competitive, healthy but at the end we're all Brits together.. GB wins.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Who has been reduced to tears? And why? (Players can cry because they lose, just from frustration)
Like smudge, I think the atmosphere has been wonderful.
The great thing here is that there are no points, so it's a chance for players to have fun, in a competition, with no real pressure.
Having watched countless team matches, the atmosphere here is no more raucous - indeed a bit less - than your average european team match. Probably us college too.
Because they get an increased amount of support from their team, they also feel the increased support for the other player by the other team.
And there's a subtle line for double faults/error - I.e. the etiquette is there's a fractional pause before you cheer ( as opposed to no fractional pause for a winner). This shows you're not directly cheering the fault, you're cheering the fact your player won a point. But it's fractional.
As you say, Andy, Dan, Liam etc. have been particularly loud but good on them. Some of the players there are only used to playing in front of two men and a dog, all on their own, the feedback I've heard in interviews has been really positive.

Add: Fair point about the interviews. And, just to be clear, it goes without saying that nothing sexual or blatantly derogatory should be allowed. But tennis in GB is SO ultra stiff and starchy, there's nothing 'laddish' about blowing horns and cheering loudly, I've heard a couple of the female players swearing and bantering, it is so rare for them to play them to play team events, that maybe it does come as a shock - I believe that the tension and raucousness of team matches helps players develop (again within socially acceptable boundaries), no matter whether they enjoy them or not.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 1st of August 2020 10:20:12 AM

sliced backhand · Lower Club Player

I can assure you that, from conversations which I have had, not all players are enjoying this imposition of lad culture. What may be said in interviews can be very different from what is thought and said in private.

indiana · Tennis legend

I tend to think that if this experience is indeed having such effects as suggested, then it may be a good experience for some to go through. particularly younger players. They may well face rather more serious and less pantomine 'abuse' in the future. It is pantomine abuse from people really on their side in the wider context, and few top players generally show this more than Andy.

Some boundaries need respected of course but in general the behavior seems fine to me and pretty appropriate for such an event. It shouldn't really be a shock.

I certainly wouldn't like the idea of some match referree trying to be much more controlling, as if this was some tour event.

I was concerned beforehand about the lack of clear identity in the teams. So I am pleased that the players have generally so bought into their teams and that it is pretty feisty.