Transition tour

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Transition tour

the addict · Tennis legend

Article by Simon Briggs in the Telegraph about the effects of the transition tour on the players, and possible future changes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2019/03/07/tennis-seeks-solution-ranking-changes-have-left-thousands-unable/

This quote made me smile though "Marcus Willis, the Wimbledon darling of 2016, told Telegraph Sport that "I haven't been able to get into any tournaments. No-one has said one positive thing about the changes. There are two different rankings systems and it's a mess."

Marcus has only played one singles match since April last year, and that was qualifying at Nottingham, where he lost to Brydan. And that has little to do with the tour changes.

indiana · Tennis legend

LOL @ Marcus biggrin

A funny regarding the transition tour.

By the way I do like Marcus in some ways as much as I don't really know him, but I realised I had genuinely forgotten about his existence for the last while before I saw that post.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Yes, very funny

Marcus might find that not logging into his account and putting his name down might have more to do with not getting into any tournaments than the new tour ranking rules.....

steven · Tennis legend

Yes, I was tempted to suggested Simon that he might not have come up with the very best example of a hard done by player there! Though most of the rest of the article is valid.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

11/03/19

The only big mover in the ITF transition tour rankings this week is:

Brydan Klein +192 to 205

He's due another big jump next week too.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

18/03/19

In the men's ITF rankings this week, the top 1100 is as follows:

(1100 chosen specifically so I could sneak in Stuart Parker, who is +268 to 1005

)

57 DRAPER, Jack 0
58 HOYT, Evan 0
86 GLASSPOOL, Lloyd -5
126 KLEIN, Brydan +79
156 MCHUGH, Aidan +13
163 PENISTON, Ryan +11
227 CHOINSKI, Jan +10
239 WHITEHOUSE, Mark +8
253 WATSON, Andrew +10
339 GRAY, Jonathan -5
358 FINDEL-HAWKINS, Jack +11
362 LOFFHAGEN, George +18
391 PAUFFLEY, Neil -30
433 MARTIN, Toby +9
441 JUBB, Paul +12
449 EVANS, Daniel +17
470 JOHNSON, Luke -1
489 STOUTE, Isaac +17
491 HARRIS, Billy -30
519 STORRIE, Ryan James +22
523 CLARKE, Jay -153
534 BUTLER, Samm +17
596 PARIS, Joshua +26
607 BASS, Finn +10
628 CANTER, Alexis +8
746 BINDING, Jonathan +16
768 MOORE, Ewan +11
783 WARD, James +12
847 BROOM, Charles +21
904 ASWAT, Imran +21
927 CHAUDHRY, Shamael +20
939 FARQUHARSON, Tom +20
970 HOUGHTON, George +24
1005 PARKER, Stuart +268
1044 MATUSEVICH, Anton +22
1052 DOWSON, Dan +21
1067 CANNELL, Joel +10
1097 WARD, Alexander +24
1100 BROADY, Liam +24

Vandenburg · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
18/03/19

In the men's ITF rankings this week, the top 1100 is as follows:

(1100 chosen specifically so I could sneak in Stuart Parker, who is +268 to 1005 )

57 DRAPER, Jack 0
58 HOYT, Evan 0
86 GLASSPOOL, Lloyd -5
126 KLEIN, Brydan +79
156 MCHUGH, Aidan +13
163 PENISTON, Ryan +11
227 CHOINSKI, Jan +10
239 WHITEHOUSE, Mark +8
253 WATSON, Andrew +10
339 GRAY, Jonathan -5
358 FINDEL-HAWKINS, Jack +11
362 LOFFHAGEN, George +18
391 PAUFFLEY, Neil -30
433 MARTIN, Toby +9
441 JUBB, Paul +12
449 EVANS, Daniel +17
470 JOHNSON, Luke -1
489 STOUTE, Isaac +17
491 HARRIS, Billy -30
519 STORRIE, Ryan James +22
523 CLARKE, Jay -153
534 BUTLER, Samm +17
596 PARIS, Joshua +26
607 BASS, Finn +10
628 CANTER, Alexis +8
746 BINDING, Jonathan +16
768 MOORE, Ewan +11
783 WARD, James +12
847 BROOM, Charles +21
904 ASWAT, Imran +21
927 CHAUDHRY, Shamael +20
939 FARQUHARSON, Tom +20
970 HOUGHTON, George +24
1005 PARKER, Stuart +268
1044 MATUSEVICH, Anton +22
1052 DOWSON, Dan +21
1067 CANNELL, Joel +10
1097 WARD, Alexander +24
1100 BROADY, Liam +24

What is this nonsense. Is like having two different Dart associations. This transition tour rubbish and taking away real points has halted the career of several players. Utter crap.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Vandenburg wrote:

What is this nonsense. Is like having two different Dart associations. This transition tour rubbish and taking away real points has halted the career of several players. Utter crap.

Wonders will never cease. wink I actually agree with you 100% on this one Vandy. From what I can see, there are plenty of others out there that are in full agreement too. They have to start allocating ATP point to the ITF tournaments as we had before.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Wednesday 20th of March 2019 01:08:33 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Yep, say it as it is.

Mark1968 · Intermediate Club Player

One thing that does annoy me in all this is that they are hindering the chances of players being able to play and progress up the rankings at a time when tennis is awash with money. I know the ATP or ITF have not said this is down to finance but with the Grand Slam winners getting an obscene £2 million plus there is clearly plenty of money to be filtered down. It's ridiculous with all this money that only a couple of hundred players make a living from the game.

I also think some of the changes have come because of all this bribery / corruption / match fixing malarkey which the ITF have talked about in context to these changes. To me that is a separate issue that needs to be tackled and should have no baring on ranking systems or how tournaments are run - that's two things!

Vandenburg · Futures level

Mark1968 wrote:
One thing that does annoy me in all this is that they are hindering the chances of players being able to play and progress up the rankings at a time when tennis is awash with money. I know the ATP or ITF have not said this is down to finance but with the Grand Slam winners getting an obscene £2 million plus there is clearly plenty of money to be filtered down. It's ridiculous with all this money that only a couple of hundred players make a living from the game.

I also think some of the changes have come because of all this bribery / corruption / match fixing malarkey which the ITF have talked about in context to these changes. To me that is a separate issue that needs to be tackled and should have no baring on ranking systems or how tournaments are run - that's two things!

Take Jack Draper for example, he was ranked about 400-500, and would be making challenger qualifying or even direct entry. Now he is pissing around playing futures for nothing.

So what happens when you top these rival ranking system, do you get WC to challenger qualifying?? WOOOOOOW.

Irony is, they have called it the transition tour, but in reality it has made transition almost impossible.

utter bollocks this.

-- Edited by Vandenburg on Thursday 21st of March 2019 12:54:03 PM

JonH · All-time great

Vandenburg wrote:
Mark1968 wrote:
One thing that does annoy me in all this is that they are hindering the chances of players being able to play and progress up the rankings at a time when tennis is awash with money. I know the ATP or ITF have not said this is down to finance but with the Grand Slam winners getting an obscene £2 million plus there is clearly plenty of money to be filtered down. It's ridiculous with all this money that only a couple of hundred players make a living from the game.

I also think some of the changes have come because of all this bribery / corruption / match fixing malarkey which the ITF have talked about in context to these changes. To me that is a separate issue that needs to be tackled and should have no baring on ranking systems or how tournaments are run - that's two things!
Take Jack Draper for example, he was ranked about 400-500, and would be making challenger qualifying or even direct entry. Now he is pissing around playing futures for nothing.
So what happens when you top these rival ranking system, do you get WC to challenger qualifying?? WOOOOOOW.
Irony is, they have called it the transition tour, but in reality it has made transition almost impossible.
utter bollocks this.

-- Edited by Vandenburg on Thursday 21st of March 2019 12:54:03 PM

Firstly, agreed, well said.

Secondly, are you actually Dan Evans in disguise??! biggrin

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

25/03/19

In the men's ITF rankings this week, Evan Hoyt continues his inexorable march to the top:

Evan +22 to ITF 36

In the top 100, Jack is -1 to 58 and Lloyd +3 to 83

Elsewhere, small moves up for Andy Watson, Finn Bass, and Stuart Parker (into the top 1000

).
David Fox is also +139 to 2024

Vandenburg · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
25/03/19

In the men's ITF rankings this week, Evan Hoyt continues his inexorable march to the top:

YES BUT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN????? DOES he now get to enter challenger qualifying??????

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?