Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon - men's singles (grass)

JonH · All-time great

Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon - men's singles (grass)

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.

Another bad example with the Bahamas tax exile as well. He will fit it well with the Torys in the LTA etc. I wont be supporting him going forward thats for sure. His game doesnt inspire me either so thats 3 reasons.

Contrast with Andy hes a million miles behind in so many respects. Andy isnt appreciated as much on this country as he should. I think in years to come this be evident when we have no top 10 players or Slam winners.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

As people have pointed out, I was probably a bit over the top in my post. It's not obvious that Kyle realised. And if he honestly didn't, then I apologise to him.
But it's not obvious he didn't either so I'm still on the fence over it.
And, yes, although I understand perfectly why players who don't spend much time in their country would want to minimise their tax by moving their fiscal residence, it's hardly an endearing thing to do, especially when tax rates are so reasonable/low here (and so much can be expensed).

Miriambee · Futures level

Helen40 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.
Do you think he was even sure? The players are advised to just let the umpire argue it out, when I've been playing (albeit at a much lower level) I've not always been sure whether a ball has bounced twice. I agree it was a bad show by Kyle if he did, although I must admit my thought at the time was that he'd just lost a point unfairly, so this was making up for it.
I felt that he just didn't get into the match after the first set, really didn't have the energy and belief. So many UEs too. I thought if he had played at a high level (for him) he should have beaten Djoko who still isn't back at his top level. For me that is the difference between Kyle and the very top guys at the mo, he still hasn't got that consistency match after match. When I watch the Kei/Nick mathc later, they were playing sooo much better.
It feels really strange not having someone to support going into week 2. I hope someone goes deep in the dubs.

this last sentence really annoys me, the Beeb do it too. How about Brits playing wheelchair tennis, juniors, mixed doubles, mens and women's doubles.

There's loads of Brits to support in the 2nd week.

scottie1 · Futures level

Miriambee wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.
Do you think he was even sure? The players are advised to just let the umpire argue it out, when I've been playing (albeit at a much lower level) I've not always been sure whether a ball has bounced twice. I agree it was a bad show by Kyle if he did, although I must admit my thought at the time was that he'd just lost a point unfairly, so this was making up for it.
I felt that he just didn't get into the match after the first set, really didn't have the energy and belief. So many UEs too. I thought if he had played at a high level (for him) he should have beaten Djoko who still isn't back at his top level. For me that is the difference between Kyle and the very top guys at the mo, he still hasn't got that consistency match after match. When I watch the Kei/Nick mathc later, they were playing sooo much better.
It feels really strange not having someone to support going into week 2. I hope someone goes deep in the dubs.
this last sentence really annoys me, the Beeb do it too. How about Brits playing wheelchair tennis, juniors, mixed doubles, mens and women's doubles.
There's loads of Brits to support in the 2nd week.

BBC journalists basically ignore tennis when Katie Boulter won her first round there was no mention of it by Sally know it all Nugent

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Miriambee wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.
Do you think he was even sure? The players are advised to just let the umpire argue it out, when I've been playing (albeit at a much lower level) I've not always been sure whether a ball has bounced twice. I agree it was a bad show by Kyle if he did, although I must admit my thought at the time was that he'd just lost a point unfairly, so this was making up for it.
I felt that he just didn't get into the match after the first set, really didn't have the energy and belief. So many UEs too. I thought if he had played at a high level (for him) he should have beaten Djoko who still isn't back at his top level. For me that is the difference between Kyle and the very top guys at the mo, he still hasn't got that consistency match after match. When I watch the Kei/Nick mathc later, they were playing sooo much better.
It feels really strange not having someone to support going into week 2. I hope someone goes deep in the dubs.
this last sentence really annoys me, the Beeb do it too. How about Brits playing wheelchair tennis, juniors, mixed doubles, mens and women's doubles.
There's loads of Brits to support in the 2nd week.

To be fair, Helen does say she hopes someone (British) goes deep in the dubs. The implication being she'll be supporting that person/team.

I think her sentence was just shorthand for it's strange to have no one in the main singles to support. Which is fair enough because it IS strange i.e. it's very unusual.

Personally, although I hope the wheelchair tennis players do well, it's not a part of the sport I follow (neither veterans or legends tennis or any of that). I love the juniors but it's not shown on the red button (and I only get red button now, no more livestreams of all the courts) which rather dampens actually physically supporting them. And dubs is fine, I'll watch some, and enjoy it, but it's not the same.

I'm more with the others in that I'll support other singles players, non-Brits, who I happen to have a soft spot for.

Jeff Stelling · Club Coach

Obviously desperate for GOAT Fed to claim the title, but could live with a Delpo or Nishikori title. They are all lovely and endearing gents.

Please God don't let the GCOAT Nadull take the crown (C does not stand for claycourter).

-- Edited by Jeff Stelling on Sunday 8th of July 2018 06:46:22 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Ball bounces twice, Kyles racket leaves his hand, he touches the net and the ball goes out at double break point down....

If Kyle turns this match around now then its a hollow win. I cant see how he didnt know all of that.
Yes, but apart those little details all was fine
Though yes should have conceded the point.

Reading through subsequent posts I will change that to "If Kyle was aware that it was a double bounce he should have conceded the point". Apologies if he wasn't aware for the implication of my original shorter version.

flamingowings · All-time great

Delpo has been bad tempered today and was in his match against Paire.

indiana · Tennis legend

With Del Potro (29) and Simon (33) suspended overnight at 2 sets to 1 to Delpo ...

The 7 through so far are aged 36, 33, 32, 32, 31, 28 and 27

The average QF age will be over 31.

KK · Club Coach

Jaggy1876 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.
Another bad example with the Bahamas tax exile as well. He will fit it well with the Torys in the LTA etc. I wont be supporting him going forward thats for sure. His game doesnt inspire me either so thats 3 reasons.
Contrast with Andy hes a million miles behind in so many respects. Andy isnt appreciated as much on this country as he should. I think in years to come this be evident when we have no top 10 players or Slam winners.

I think he is hugely appreciated - even by your hated establishment which gave him a knighthood at a very young age.

Sim · County player

The scheduling/priorities at Wimbledon always amaze me. They suspend the Del Poltro vs Simon match due to fading light and close the roof on centre to allow a mixed doubles match to finish......

indiana · Tennis legend

Sim wrote:
The scheduling/priorities at Wimbledon always amaze me. They suspend the Del Poltro vs Simon match due to fading light and close the roof on centre to allow a mixed doubles match to finish......

I am not though in favour of switching matches to a different court once started.

The Court 2 schedule was perfectly reasonable. Just there were longish first two matches then Del Potro vs Simon took over 3 hours for the 3 sets played, having started I think about an hour before the start of the Djokovic vs Khachanov completed match on Court 1.

Not ideal to have to come back on their supposed rest day but it happens through noone's real fault and as I say I prefer start on a court, finish there.

I assume that they certainly woudn't switch without both players agreement. No idea if it was put to them when it's not as if there is a backlog and the weather forecast is fine.

Wimbledon scheduling to me is generally pretty good, though I understand say some feelings about the men vs women ratio on the two main courts.

Further thought : if there is still an 11 pm cut-off for Centre Court there wouldn't have even been a guarantee of them being able to complete tonight on Centre even if they could move straight there. Been over an hour per set for the first 3 sets and no final set TB.

I don't see what could / should have been done differently.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 9th of July 2018 08:59:17 PM

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

KK wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.
Another bad example with the Bahamas tax exile as well. He will fit it well with the Torys in the LTA etc. I wont be supporting him going forward thats for sure. His game doesnt inspire me either so thats 3 reasons.
Contrast with Andy hes a million miles behind in so many respects. Andy isnt appreciated as much on this country as he should. I think in years to come this be evident when we have no top 10 players or Slam winners.
I think he is hugely appreciated - even by your hated establishment which gave him a knighthood at a very young age.

I was meaning by the British (English in this example) public, but dont let that get in the way of your wee dig.

indiana · Tennis legend

I'd say that Andy is generally very much appreciated by the British public as a whole, increasingly ( and naturally so ) as the years have gone on.

The wider not nearly so into tennis as us will understandably generally not know the extra details re such as all the support he gives other Brits.

But I don't really see where you are coming from. He is very much appreciated and much missed.