Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon - men's singles (grass)

flamingowings · All-time great

Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon - men's singles (grass)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Kyrgios out to Nishikori in straight sets.

Won't be much consolation to Kyle, but that result will increase the chances of him taking out his CH ranking at the end of Wimbledon. Kyle is currently at 15 in the live rankings and with Kyrgios out, anyone else below him would have to reach the SF at least to overtake him.

Got to expect one of Nishikori/Djokovic to come through that section of the draw and the other most likely candidate would be Raonic but he would have to reach the final and is in Fed's half of the draw.

So I guesstimate that Kyle will be 16 in the new rankings at the end of the tournament.

-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Saturday 7th of July 2018 08:17:39 PM

Jan · Hall of fame

Kyle did so well at the start. Shame his level seemed to drop a bit and Djoko's certainly improved.

Nix · Futures qualifying

Kyle seems to have a lot of ability but not yet quite enough belief to sustain him over a five set match against one of the top players. DJokovic is just so convinced he can win that when he is struggling he seems outraged rather than crushed by it. Still some promising signs of how Kyle is improving, especially as it's not his favourite surface.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

A big step up from Kyle in terms of performance on grass from last year, really pleased for him. That incremental year on year improvement is still ticking along quite nicely. Still plenty of things to work on but what a future he has. He will keep doing what he has been doing and the Wimbledon crowd will learn to love it, how can you not be in awe of that forehand.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.

Do you think he was even sure? The players are advised to just let the umpire argue it out, when I've been playing (albeit at a much lower level) I've not always been sure whether a ball has bounced twice. I agree it was a bad show by Kyle if he did, although I must admit my thought at the time was that he'd just lost a point unfairly, so this was making up for it.

I felt that he just didn't get into the match after the first set, really didn't have the energy and belief. So many UEs too. I thought if he had played at a high level (for him) he should have beaten Djoko who still isn't back at his top level. For me that is the difference between Kyle and the very top guys at the mo, he still hasn't got that consistency match after match. When I watch the Kei/Nick mathc later, they were playing sooo much better.

It feels really strange not having someone to support going into week 2. I hope someone goes deep in the dubs.

flamingowings · All-time great

Genuinely curious - obviously this is GB focussed board but I do follow and very much like players out with the UK so for me, I find it jarring to read that "there's nobody left to back". I for one am backing Del Potro and it will be interesting to see what Khachanov and Tsitsipas can do on Monday.

Jaffa · Challenger level

Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.

Usually agree with your posts CD but it wasnt crystal. In real time I thought hed made it and when youre playing you arent sure, trust me.

if Novak was concentrating hed have challenged because the ball was out as well!!

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
After seeing Kyle cheating, refusing to acknowledge and own the double bounce, which was as clear as crystal, and which set a hugely bad example to all young players watching, he did not deserve to win. I understand that none of us act always as we should when under pressure and the heat of the moment and all that but Kyle ought to be ashamed when he thinks it over.

If Kyle knew that it was a double bounce, he absolutely should have given the point to Djokovic. But as Jaffa has pointed out, it is not always clear to the person involved. I played a lot of cricket in my younger days and there were several occasions a catch behind was claimed and I had no idea if I had hit the ball or not. When the ball passed the bat, the bat was hitting the pad and the ground at the same time, I was probably the person least likely to know if I had actually made contact with the ball.

Kyle was racing forward, stumbling, his racket was jamming into the ground and spinning out of his hand all in the same split second that he made contact with the ball. Only Kyle will know if he was fully aware of the double bounce or not, but if he was not completely sure, he was right to let the umpire make the call.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I take your points, Jaffa and Bob.

And of course you may well both be right.

But my view is that a player of that level knows (though in the stress of the situation, possibly their brain 'blocks' that knowledge, because they so want it to be that way, in which case you'd be right again). But I'm not convinced.... (which is hardly relevant, of course)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

In the men's last 16 we have only four players who are in the 'prime' age 25-30 bracket.

It really does show that we have a gap in the mid-Gen slice of players.

Eight are in the 30+ bracket. One teenager. Three age 21-24.

The oldest is Fed, age 36. The youngest Tsitsipas, age 19.

Average age: 28.68

In terms of nationality:

France : 3
USA : 2
All the rest : 1 each

In terms of region:

Europe : 10
North America : 3
South America : 1
Asia : 1
Africa : 1

No Aussies....

indiana · Tennis legend

flamingowings wrote:
Genuinely curious - obviously this is GB focussed board but I do follow and very much like players out with the UK so for me, I find it jarring to read that "there's nobody left to back". I for one am backing Del Potro and it will be interesting to see what Khachanov and Tsitsipas can do on Monday.

Indeed, same for me, and same choice - Delpo. Would be great.

However, as to who I actually think will win the titles, I'd go for Nadal and Kerber. Going for the treble double after the Australian and French Opens.

scottie1 · Futures level

indiana wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Genuinely curious - obviously this is GB focussed board but I do follow and very much like players out with the UK so for me, I find it jarring to read that "there's nobody left to back". I for one am backing Del Potro and it will be interesting to see what Khachanov and Tsitsipas can do on Monday.
Indeed, same for me, and same choice - Delpo. Would be great.
However, as to who I actually think will win the titles, I'd go for Nadal and Kerber. Going for the treble double after the Australian and French Opens.

Del Potro for me too although the young Greek is good too anyone bar Federer/Isner would please me

flamingowings · All-time great

indiana wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
Genuinely curious - obviously this is GB focussed board but I do follow and very much like players out with the UK so for me, I find it jarring to read that "there's nobody left to back". I for one am backing Del Potro and it will be interesting to see what Khachanov and Tsitsipas can do on Monday.
Indeed, same for me, and same choice - Delpo. Would be great.
However, as to who I actually think will win the titles, I'd go for Nadal and Kerber. Going for the treble double after the Australian and French Opens.

I could get on board with those winners.