Junior rankings

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Junior rankings

Spectator · All-time great

Always find fascinating the way players who don't play ITFs can drop in with a WC and make everyone sit up and take notice!

On the stats, an interesting breakdown ... perhaps slightly skewed by the fact that some of the top prospects aren't playing juniors and so don't appear (eg Kozlov, Duck Hee Lee, Tiafoe) ... and that I rather suspect that for the top countries, the sheer mass of top players means that some of their younger players don't go up rankings as early as they might. That said, the Canadians seem very impressive - also note that there's a rising Chinese presence (3 players) among the younger group in the top 100.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, the age distribution indicates things are rather less rosey with the British boys than such as the bare top 100 figures might suggest. But I'd think most folk do know that it's not exactly flourishing

As you say, Spectator, there is generally much more foraging into senior ITFs with other nations compared with us, such as with Ewan Moore as CD points to in the Glasgow thread.

Our junior / young senior males progress ( basically after the 1995 borns ) unfortunately overall looks poor, though respect to these individuals giving of their best. Still no GB teenagers in the senior top 1000.

Oliver Anderson may have won the Australian Open Boys as a 17 yo un ( junior ) ranked WC. But as has been mentioned he has not been avoiding competition, he is WR 651 in seniors.

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 02:23:47 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

08/02/16

Alexis Canter +13 to JWR 71
Max Stewart +5 to JWR 200
Julian Lewis +167 to JWR 1502
Thomas Davies +365 to JWR 1523

Jonéa Bach (2001) +23 to JWR 436

We now have 4 boys and 3 girls in the top 100, all 1998, except Katie who's 1999

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

15/02/16

A huge jump for young Karim, on the back of his G5 win, and Alastair getting near the top 100:

Alastair Gray (1998) +31 to JWR 117
Aidan McHugh (2000) +10 to JWR 356
Ewen Lumsden (2000) +16 to JWR 436
Karim Najia (2000) +551 to JWR 749

Girls

Donia (2000) +89 to WR 473

The other girls have a lot of rises of 5-10 ranking places but just from others going down, no net new points.

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

Very pleased to see young Mr Gray getting some success. He was always a great young junior with the most terrific single-handed BH but never seemed to get very far in tournaments as, compared to his peers, he was still a 'little boy'. I understand he has had a massive growth spurt at some point over the last couple of years and now towers over all and sundry!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Alastair getting near the top 100 (him and Finn are within striking distance now).

22/02/16

Alastair Gray (1998) +11 to WR 116
Matt Summers (1998) +93 to WR 439
Anton Matusevich (2001) +204 to WR 800

Seb Tong and Kyle Stocker are new in.

Emily Appleton (1999) +109 to WR 143
Francesca Jones (2000) +20 to WR 172
Maria Budin (2000) +50 to WR 677
Anna Loughlan (2000) +355 to WR 989

Tzarina ('99) also up +194 and Julie Ball ('99) new in

paulisi · Tennis legend

I've not posted a full top 500 list for a while so:

17 CLARKE, Jay 0 GBR 27 Jul 1998 40 595.00
71 CANTER, Alexis 0 GBR 03 Jun 1998 43 341.25
92 STORRIE, Ryan James -1 GBR 28 Feb 1998 36 310.00
94 MOORE, Ewan -1 GBR 09 Mar 1998 42 310.00
106 GRAY, Alastair +11 GBR 22 Jun 1998 34 280.00
115 BASS, Finn -1 GBR 09 Oct 1999 33 261.25
164 HAMMOND, Luke -1 GBR 08 Dec 1998 18 215.00
187 DRAPER, Ben -23 GBR 19 Oct 1998 27 192.50
198 PERRIN, Lawrence -2 GBR 09 Feb 1998 25 186.25
203 STEWART, Max -2 GBR 05 Jan 1999 33 176.25
252 MOLLOY, Jack -50 GBR 22 Jul 1999 23 156.25
271 BROOM, Charles -2 GBR 24 Apr 1998 22 146.25
334 TYLER, Joe -1 GBR 01 Nov 1998 19 126.25
344 NEWMAN, Louis +4 GBR 13 Sep 1998 25 122.50
345 DAVIS, James 0 GBR 10 Dec 1998 29 122.50
360 HERSEY, Jake -4 GBR 21 May 2000 31 118.75
361 MCHUGH, Aidan -4 GBR 09 Jul 2000 27 118.75
372 DAVIES, Will -3 GBR 28 Jan 1999 18 116.25
377 RODRIGUEZ, Damian -2 GBR 13 Jan 1999 16 115.00
420 STORY, Matthew -4 GBR 25 May 1998 15 101.25
436 JONES, Adam -7 GBR 08 May 1998 28 97.50
439 SUMMERS, Matthew +93 GBR 25 Sep 1998 18 96.25
440 PURSER, Luke -8 GBR 09 May 1998 26 96.25
446 LUMSDEN, Ewen -10 GBR 17 Feb 2000 28 95.00
455 GSCHWENDTNER, Jeremy +6 GBR 21 Aug 1998 38 92.50

12 SWAN, Katie 0 GBR 24 Mar 1999 19 786.25
50 LUMSDEN, Maia 0 GBR 10 Jan 1998 25 427.50
68 LAZIC, Ema +1 GBR 28 Dec 1998 31 365.00
115 AXON, Georgina +2 GBR 26 May 1999 31 295.00
143 APPLETON, Emily +109 GBR 01 Sep 1999 24 265.00
172 JONES, Francesca +20 GBR 19 Sep 2000 26 226.25
194 RICHARDSON, Eden -3 GBR 03 Sep 1998 17 216.25
204 COLLINS, Ali -36 GBR 27 May 2000 24 212.50
209 BURRAGE, Jodie Anna -3 GBR 28 May 1999 19 210.00
236 JOHN-BAPTISTE, Lauryn -3 GBR 26 Jul 1999 20 191.25
256 MALONEY, Eliz 0 GBR 10 Aug 2000 23 178.75
321 DAVIES, Megan -4 GBR 02 Mar 1999 22 150.00
382 MIKHEEVA, Anastasia -2 GBR 28 May 1999 19 127.50
402 HEATH, Gemma -2 GBR 12 Aug 2001 18 122.50
439 BACH, Jonea -6 GBR 24 Jul 2001 24 113.75
458 VERDEN ANDERSON, Camille -42 GBR 04 Feb 1999 29 108.75
478 ABDEL-AZIZ, Donia -2 GBR 18 Apr 2000 32 103.75

indiana · Tennis legend

Finn Bass for now, just on the ranking details, stands out as a 1999 born, and indeed October 1999, behind these 1998s with so many junior appearances and so comparatively few senior ones.

Be interesting to follow his progress.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 22nd of February 2016 04:55:09 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Finn Bass for now, just on the ranking details, stands out as a 1999 born, and indeed October 1999, behind these 1998s with so many junior appearances and so comparatively few senior ones.

Yes. Finn has a super game, and physique. Really like it. The LTA certainly seem to be banking on him too - he gets a lot of support.

Ernie · Junior player

I agree. Finn does have a good game and physique for a 1999 he's a big lad, I spoke to his father recently at NTC and he's disappointed at the Level of LTA support. Finn doesn't get any financial support... but does get a room and court time at NTC along with all of the other national players.

I'm guessing from the conversation this is why Finn, Alastair, Georgie and Jodie are travelling to far away places like India and Thailand were the Tournaments are generally a little weaker. They hope to gain enough points to be within 100 which may help when applying for financial support.

indiana · Tennis legend

Hmm, cheers again LTA Finn on the face of it looks close to the best boy's prospect we've got in a pretty bare cupboard for juniors and early senior guys

He needs to tell the LTA that he has "aspirations" to be a senior top 200 player! - those are the ones they supposedly really lend their support to.

Best of luck to all, but if it takes a certain ranking brought about by travelling to "weaker" tournaments then in some ways things would be even more awry. Though actually I did think the LTA were not junior rankings driven ( difficult to say what drives them ) so I would have thought that this may be great expense on an ill judged hypothesis unless the LTA have indicated differently.

And if we do have juniors travelling to all corners of the world, possibly in vein hopes, someone needs to tell them. They should have much more idea of what is being looked for rather than all this, "which may help" even if they achieve some goals.

Seems that there are kids and families desperately trying to find a way forward with little guidance. All seems a bit crazy ...

-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 09:16:37 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Thanks, Ernie.

But doesn't he get a coach provided/partially provided?

If not, it's all SO ridiculous.......makes you weep..........

Ernie · Junior player

No Coup he doesn't get a coach provided by the LTA, that's funded by the JTC Chiswick

Indian...... I'm pretty sure Finns parents are telling the LTA all about his aspirations as are all the other junior parents applying for funding. I don't think the LTA are rankings driven, they must take in to consideration which tournaments you've played and who you've beaten, they'd be silly not to. Its fairly easy to inflate your ranking without improving your tennis if your wealthy enough by travelling the globe and choosing your tournaments wisely.

I see juniors throughout the year at NTC camps, it's certainly eye opener the boys with the highest ITF ranking are not always the ones who shine. If all of the boys had the same opportunities I'm sure we see a shift in the front runners.

It'll be interesting though over the next few months to see who the LTA will be funding.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Cheers, Ernie.

I guess the LTA don't need to fund a trainer if the JTC Chiswick fund one?

NB I completely agree - being rankings driven is futile - and renders the elite detection commission redundant.

After all, a computer can keep tab on rankings and dole out money accordingly.

From my experience in detection, it's a real skill to 'look through' the obvious and go a bit deeper.

By the way, what happens to the lesser-known ones who shine? Do they then force their way into the chosen few?