The big one being stamina! .. Andy went 5 sets without wilting (ok maybe 4 1/2). he didn't look exhausted, even at the end.
Despite converting only 3 of 17 break points he kept his head up and stayed focussed (so different from his match against Baggy at Wimbledon). He didn't get down on himself and didn't start shouting and playing the blame game. (credit to Nadal here - if Andy only converted 3 of 17 break points then Nadal saved an awful lot of them).
He stuck to his gameplan and his 1st serve percentage held solid after a blip in the (was it the 2nd?) set.
As the commentators said, he actually seemed to be enjoying it - I think he realised at some point during the match that he now has nothing and no-one to fear in the world of tennis.
I am so proud of him. I'm disappointed he lost because he could have won, but what a fantastic match that was. Two great players going at it hammer and tongs and just leaving it all out on the court. If it had been Fed and Rafa playing that match it would be hyped to the max - some of the points and rallying from both players were outstanding.
When his first serve deserted him it made things really difficult for him and that's what cost him the match I think. He also didn't play the big points as well as he could have - a really low percentage of BPs were converted and when you play a guy like Nadal you need to finish the job or else they just keep coming back at you.
I think there's so much to take from this match - there is no doubt in my mind that Andy is a top 5 player right now, he just needs to find a way to convert that form into ranking points. It was the best match I've seen him play for ages - maybe Roddick at Wimbledon or Gonzo and the USO would run it close, but I think this surpasses all of it. He was so attacking and so positive and he volleyed great for the most part and it was only when he got mentally tired that he started throwing in the costly UEs at the end.
I hope he's not too down on himself - and I hope people don't make a big deal out of his fitness. I didn't think that was a big thing today, I just think Nadal knew how to play the big points and Andy didn't.
He will have certainly have alerted a few guys to his potential (if it were in doubt) after that performance. Just a shame he couldn't close it out for the win.
Just very proud of him.
As an aside - did anyone else mute the tele when Andrew Castle came on or was it just me? He really doesn't like Andy very much - and still hasn't got over the world cup joke. Jonathan Overend on Five Live basically called it spot on when he told an emailer to 'get over it, it was a joke'. Nice to hear Aucks was in Andy's box as well.
So close yet sadly so predictable. Exhausted Andy couldn't sustain his level for long enough to win a fascinating match against Rafa Nadal. At times Nadal was brilliant, especially when break point down, but his victory was won through endurance, through consistency, through doing enough to survive when in trouble. Murray's first serve percentage dropped alarmingly as the match progressed, and by the end there wasn't enough left in the tank to compete.
The debate before the match centred on whether Murray had the weapons to hurt Nadal. Had Brad Gilbert seen weaknesses in Nadal's game that Andy could exploit? The answers were clear for all to see. Murray the cautious counterpuncher had transformed into Murray the shot maker. Over the course of the contest Andy displayed an astonishing repertoire of shots, and had his execution been marginally better, the victory would have been his. Whenever there was an opportunity to attack, Andy didn't hesitate. He launched into big returns against the second serve, he went for huge forehands sometimes successfully, sometimes not, and the shot of the match, the crosscourt backhand; taken early, hit flat, causing Nadal real problems.
During those spells when he was serving well, Andy looked the better player. But just as evident was how reliant Murray was on his first serve penetrating Nadal's defences. Andy's first strike tennis caused Nadal huge problems, his patient rallying did not. Almost inevitably, the longer rallies went to Nadal. If he missed his first serve Andy found himself dashing from side to side trying to retrieve big groundstrokes from Nadal arrowed into the corners till Murray could no longer keep the ball in play. The same was true on return as Andy's best hopes rested on punishing second serves with fierce returns then trying to finish the point as quickly as possible.
On the evidence of this match Andy has the tennis to challenge Nadal. What he does not have at the moment is the ability to sustain his level thoughout the course of a long five set match. Given that Nadal played well, it was amazing that for spells in both the second and the fourth sets, it looked as though Andy would emerge the winner. His offensive game was breathtaking, but the margin for error was small and crucially, on the key break points, he tended to miss by couple of inches.
No, I wasn't quick enough on the button. Did you hear that rubbish he was spouting about the apparent problem Andy had with his side at one time? According to Castle, that was a psychological problem suffered by players when they are losing.
Hello!!! I saw Andy first grimace and hold his side when he was leading by one set and 4-1. . .
In my opinion it was that problem, stitch or whatever it was, that caused him to lose the run of games from that point on, and thereby the set. He didn't seem to overcome it until the second game of the third set.
He has a real problem with Andy - I don't know why it is. Actually I do - it's because he's not a traditional British tennis player and has a bit of personality about him that makes him a bit volatile. Castle can't deal with that - plus he keeps calling him 'Andrew' which I know is only a small thing, but it annoys the hell out of me.
I think Andy probably just over-stretched on one of the over-heads he was hitting. That probably made him over-compensate a little and his serve percentage fell as a result. He was definitely holding his side when he was cruising in the game. I somehow doubt it was psychological, especially as he looked in genuine distress. You don't 'invent' injuries when you are up a set, a break and cruising.
Thank you for the commentary Mkkreuk. It really bought the match alive for me reading through. So gutted that Andy couldn't take it the end, but it sounds like a fantastic game of tennis and hopefully next time Nadal won't be so lucky .
Top10 for Andy can't be far away so long as the consistency is there now.
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i felt andy gave his all and that all we can ask from him when playing against the no.2 player in the world when he was leading by a st and 4-1, i though he probably win it in 3 sets but when he was holding his left rib after he went for a crosscourt b/hd, i though uh-oh! Nevertheless, he provided a great match that included everything we wanted in a Murray spectatcular! I was listening to Radio 5 live, and the commentary was thinking about high he can go after his peformance against Nadal, and they said at the moment top 5, post-Federer era top 2 at least! exciting times ahead!
It was to be expected, after this match, that the British Press would be full of praise. However it is nice to see international comment that is just as admiring; this is from Peter Bodo's column in tennis.com :-
Mornin'. Shortly after I rolled out of bed at around 8:30 this morning, I realized it was one of those days when you awake to a changed world, even if it's in a relatively obscure or minor way. Today, people see Andy Murray, the 19-year old Scot who gave Rafael Nadal all he could handle last night, in a different light. It's a cliche, I know, but sometimes the cliche is the most serviceable and accurate form of currency. Andy Murray has arrived.
That was my feeling as I ambled down to the restaurant at Melbourne's Hilton-on-the-Park for breakfast. A few minutes after I sat down with Judith Elian, an old friend and former tennis correspondent for L'Equipe, John Lloyd, the former player who now commentates for the BBC, came in. He cut a good figure, in his immaculate zip-neck, white Nike top and Rodeo Drive-grade suntan. He stopped by to say hi and of course I asked him what he thought about the Murray-Nadal match. He basically said exactly what I had been thinking:
I've been big on Andy since the beginning. I've watched him play and practice a thousand times, going back to when saying he had a big future often got you a raised eyebrow and a remark something like, "Yeah, he's got nice touch and he's versatile but he has no weapons. . ." Well, last night, he showed that he's got all kinds of weapons, it's just that he uses them as he needs them. Some of those backhand passing shots and forehand winners were hit as hard and sharply as anyone hits them. For a set-and-a-half, he had Nadal utterly confused with the way he mixed up his game and kept Nadal out of his comfort zone. But the strange thing is, as high as I've been on Murray, my feelings about his game and potential went to another level yesterday. This guy is going to win Grand Slams. Of that I'm certain.
Yep. In fact, deep into last night's live match-call experiment I wrote of Andy's prospects of winning Wimbledon that it wasn't a question of "if" but "when". Of course, there is this little matter of the people who need to get out of his road for that to happen, but its hard to imagine Roger Federer not having a hiccup or two somewhere along his grassy path. BTW, I did stick around for Andy's presser last night, and I also saw that a comment he made about hoping that Federer would be "gone" soon has gotten a few noses here at TW out of joint. We all know that context counts, and trust me on this: there was nothing disrespectful or trash-talky about Andy's comment. It came in response to the question of whether or not we have a new rivalry (Murray vs. Nadal) on our hands. His answer was in two parts, of which only the second aspect is relevant:
I hope that I can get to a level where I'm getting the chance to play against him deep in tournaments. Still got a long way to go. When Federer's gone, which I hope is pretty soon (smiling), I hope we can play against each other a lot.
There was nothing dismissive or ill-intentioned about the way Andy said it, and the subtext is obvious: It's not about me and Rafael; it's about The Mighty Fed and Rafa. Andy could have chosen a better phrasing, for sure, but, hey - it was around 2 AM, the kid has just played the match of a lifetime, and he's got the Scotsman's plain-spoken, direct-bordering-on-brusque manner. As an issue, there is no there there.
What Murray demonstrated last night was that there is a way to bamboozle Nadal, and I think the approach is also true of TMF, if to a lesser degree and in a different way. The key is a keeping Nadal out of his comfort zone - that is, doing things that prevent the match from becoming the tennis version of the Paris-to-Dakar rally: a headlong, pedal-to-the-metal race that raises a storm of dust and leaves the contestants grimy and soaked in perspiration. This involves putting him under pressure to make decisive, accurate placements, preferably from uncomfortable positions, before he can turn a point into a rallying contest.
Easier said than done, for sure. Which brings us to Part 2 of the equation, which is getting enough stick on the ball to put him under pressure, psychologically as well as tactically (a matter of forcing him to make decisions and even execute strokes faster than he would prefer).
You can't do that without having a nuclear option of which he is acutely aware: in Murray's shot vocabulary, that means using a big serve to which Nadal has to pay attention because it keeps him off balance, and having the Wilanders to pull the trigger and smack the winning placement on any shot Nadal delivers that has the beguiling character of a Trojan horse: Oh, Andy, here's a happy, innocuous little topspin backhand to the mid-court. Nothing to worry about, Braveheart, just say "Hi, little ball! and send it right back the way it came . . .
That's how Nadal lures so many of his victims into the abattoir.
Murray was having none of that last night. He played remarkably positive tennis, showing decision-making ability and creative use of the court beyond his years and experience. That he was able to execute at such a high level while treating break points like they were so many useless pennies destined to be left on a desk, unused, was intriguing. It spoke of both Murray's talent and his inexperience. And in the late stages, fitness and strength became an issue for Murray, especially in contrast with Jet Boy, who appeared to become stronger as the match progressed. That's understandable: Murray is from the north, where people have not been softened and molded by the sun for resilience and endurance; he's more brittle than Nadal, but there is ample toughness - and different kinds of toughness - to compensate for his smaller reservoir of stamina and strength.
With Nadal, what you see is what you get. But Andy is Mr. Unpredictable.
I suppose few people are as Murray obsessed as those who post here but it has been surprising reading numerous posts elsewhere in which the writer indicates that up until this match they hadn't really rated Andy, and certainly didn't think he had to the weapons to trouble Nadal.
I thought this match told us exactly what we already knew, the only new element being his willingness to go for the crosscourt backhand instead of the typical down the line shot. Ever since Queens in 2005 we've known Andy possessed huge groundstrokes. Against Thomas Johansson on the grass Andy would be patiently rallying, slicing backhands, being pushed around the court, looking very ordinary, when out of nowhere he would unleash an absolutely massive forehand for a clean winner. For reasons unknown that shot had largely disappeared from his game until these last couple of matches.
So Andy has a big serve that is unreliable, his second serve lacks penetration, his fitness is improving but still no match for the likes of Nadal. At the net Andy has excellent touch but his positional sense isn't that of a natural volleyer like Henman. His backhand down the line is the best in the game and his backhand crosscourt has the potential to reach the same level but he'll need to take on the shot far more often in a match situation if he's to execute it at key moments against top opponents.
His aggressive forehand is erratic but again you got the sense that he was paying the price for under-using the shot as a source of winners over the course of the last 12 months. Some awesome hitting to win the point that gave him the third set but a few too many missed the target. However, it was great to see him going for the winner, rather than his typical patient approach.
In terms of challenging for slams Andy is still a long way away. It was a night match played in cooler temperatures which will have allowed him to compete for longer than he would have managed in the heat of the day. His first three matches in the tournament had been relatively straightforward, so his reserves of energy should have been well stocked. Facing Nadal after a tough quarter-final would give Murray 4 sets at best in which to win the match.
Anyway, I hope Andy and Brad look at this match and decide that the game plan was right, that this is the way to play if he is to beat the very best. And that as well as working on his fitness, and getting him to serve aggressively at 60-65% rather than the 53% that he managed, they recognise that the heavy groundstrokes need to be put into practice week in week out if they are to be fine-tuned to the level needed to beat the likes of Nadal.
Just a few points to make from watching the Eursport coverage, and the coverage on Spanish TV.
1) Matts Willander on Eurosport stated that he now thinks Andy has the best backhand in the game!
2) According to Spanish TV, Rafa has never lost on the tour proper to a player younger than him. (Though he lost to Gasquet in a futures/challengers event a few years ago).
3) Again, according to Spanish TV, Nadal has won every time that it's gone to five sets against Federer.
Anyone got the stats for Nadal losing a five setter?
thats incorrect, Federer beat nadal in 5 sets in 2005 in the Miami final. He also lost to lleyton hewitt in the same year in the round of 16 at the aussie open.
2004 USO - beat Heuberger after being pegged back to 2-2 from 2-0 2005 AO - beat Youzhny from 1-2 down 2005 AO - LOST to Hewitt from 2-1 up 2005 Miami - LOST to Federer from 2-0 up 2005 Rome - beat Coria, never behind in sets 2005 Madrid - beat Ljubicic from 0-2 down 2006 Rome - beat Fed after losing 1st set 2006 Wimbledon - beat Kendrick from 2 sets down 2007 AO - beat Murray from 1-2 down
So this was his 5th win in a 5-set match in a row.
-- Edited by steven at 09:43, 2007-01-24
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