Boys: 2024 U16/U18 Junior National Championships, NTC, acrylic (Weeks 14/15)

DavidC · Tennis legend

RE: Boys: 2024 U16/U18 Junior National Championships, NTC, acrylic (Weeks 14/15)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The main draw is out, and is less linear (I think) than the girls

Three wildcards (I thought two?) for Jamie Diack, Rhys Lawlor, and Kai-Luca Ampaw

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Jesse Clarkson maintained his good form from Under 16s to beat Archie Gray in qualies for under 18 event. Archie, on the other hand, maintained his poor form, having lost his opening match as 3rd seed in the under 16 event.

Tennis2024 · Improver

Its not really a bad performance from Archie Gray as the rankings and seedings in this case arent correct

If Archie gray were to beat Jesse Clarkson, that would be considered an upset

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Tennis2024 wrote:
Its not really a bad performance from Archie Gray as the rankings and seedings in this case arent correct
If Archie gray were to beat Jesse Clarkson, that would be considered an upset

Jon wasn't having a go at Archie smile

But it's not unreasonable that people go by rankings and seedings

After all, the LTA in their wisdom have decided to use a specific matrix to decide rankings and seedings

It's been pointed out - by Rose, I think - that it's a bit daft to overweight certain domestic events and underweight ITFs

But the LTA think that's right and proper

And they're the 'experts'

So the LTA obviously expected Archie to beat Jesse (coz that's what their own seedings said)

So it's not unreasonable that Jon expected it too

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Tennis2024 wrote:
Its not really a bad performance from Archie Gray as the rankings and seedings in this case arent correct
If Archie gray were to beat Jesse Clarkson, that would be considered an upset
Jon wasn't having a go at Archie
But it's not unreasonable that people go by rankings and seedings
After all, the LTA in their wisdom have decided to use a specific matrix to decide rankings and seedings
It's been pointed out - by Rose, I think - that it's a bit daft to overweight certain domestic events and underweight ITFs
But the LTA think that's right and proper
And they're the 'experts'
So the LTA obviously expected Archie to beat Jesse (coz that's what their own seedings said)
So it's not unreasonable that Jon expected it too

Absolutely, I dont really know the juniors relative merits well, so took a black and white perspective based on seedings. By the way, I dont take it as any sort of criticism, quite mild in fact from Tennis 2024! So all good- and thanks for defending me!

and welcome to the board, Tennis 2024.

looking forward to seeing how the under 18 events unfold!

twentytoone · Lower Club Player

Alisha ndukwu though won many itf events last year which boosted her lta ranking far above what her actual playing ability was so it goes both ways

-- Edited by twentytoone on Sunday 7th of April 2024 08:26:31 AM

Tennis2024 · Improver

Coup Droit wrote:
Tennis2024 wrote:
Its not really a bad performance from Archie Gray as the rankings and seedings in this case arent correct
If Archie gray were to beat Jesse Clarkson, that would be considered an upset
Jon wasn't having a go at Archie
But it's not unreasonable that people go by rankings and seedings
After all, the LTA in their wisdom have decided to use a specific matrix to decide rankings and seedings
It's been pointed out - by Rose, I think - that it's a bit daft to overweight certain domestic events and underweight ITFs
But the LTA think that's right and proper
And they're the 'experts'
So the LTA obviously expected Archie to beat Jesse (coz that's what their own seedings said)
So it's not unreasonable that Jon expected it too

Yes I certainly wasn't criticising Jon just pointing out the possible inaccuracy of the seeding!

but no system is perfect.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

twentytoone wrote:
Alisha ndukwu though won many itf events last year which boosted her lta ranking far above what her actual playing ability was so it goes both ways

-- Edited by twentytoone on Sunday 7th of April 2024 08:26:31 AM

Yes, and Grace Chinwike too

Although that, I think, is more a reflection on the relative level of the African ITF events as opposed to European ITF events, say

And obviously (!) the LTA can't have a matrix that underplays the African events and overweights the European ones

rokavenet · Improver

Agreed it goes both ways. Winning TEs boosts the national ranking hugely and pushes young players up the national ranking.16us and older dont really play that much domestic tournaments as itf becomes more important. Also juniors I general have their ups and downs, generally speaking. I should point out that many of them read this forum!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

rokavenet wrote:
Agreed it goes both ways. Winning TEs boosts the national ranking hugely and pushes young players up the national ranking.16us and older dont really play that much domestic tournaments as itf becomes more important. Also juniors I general have their ups and downs, generally speaking. I should point out that many of them read this forum!

Good biggrin

Wins in the FQR for Felix B Evans, Sam Chadwick, Jesse Clarkson, Dan Hughes, Toby Clarke ---

twentytoone · Lower Club Player

Anybody know anything about Carl holder? Has no lta presence since u9s

rokavenet · Improver

Yes level is way way lower. Hence why many players who can afford to travel there go get points to make it easier to get into European ones.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

twentytoone wrote:
Anybody know anything about Carl holder? Has no lta presence since u9s

I don't know anything about him, as such, but I saw him play live very recently, at Redbridge British Tour, I think it was

It was a great match! Really, really close, excellent tennis, and a very good spirit (against Skinner, maybe? I can picture the guy and his tattoos but I might gave got the name wrong)

I really liked Carl's game - not sure it's quite of the level, not quite acquired enough, as the French would say, to tackle the big guys

But I watch out for him now

Shhh · Challenger level

rokavenet wrote:
Agreed it goes both ways. Winning TEs boosts the national ranking hugely and pushes young players up the national ranking.16us and older dont really play that much domestic tournaments as itf becomes more important. Also juniors I general have their ups and downs, generally speaking. I should point out that many of them read this forum!

Welcome rokavenet, always good to have new posters on the board, hope that you'll stick around