Wimbledon wildcards 2023 - women

Nix · Futures level

RE: Wimbledon wildcards 2023 - women

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I think it's a really interesting discussion

And I love Paul's 'rant' - you can tell it comes from the heart

I've got a slighlty open mind

If not deliberate, maybe the players are subconsciously affected by having the comfort of wildcards? Indeed, if they all come from well-heeled backgrounds - as Paul suggests - maybe that's the issue and not the wildcards.

i.e. it doesn't mean they're not grafting as much as they can. But maybe their personal limits of 'as much as they can' is lower than some others?

Again, I'm not saying I agree or think this - just that all aspects are worth considering....

Also, just to note, Dan Evans is one of the few GB players who doesn't come from a well-off upper middle class sort of family - is that pertinent?

miriam abc · Strong Club Player

Although Dan came from a suburb of Birmingham (and has a strong Brummie accent,) the area where I went to school, he joined the much more well-heeled neighbouring tennis club in Solihull.

Var · Pro player

Coup Droit wrote:
I think it's a really interesting discussion

And I love Paul's 'rant' - you can tell it comes from the heart

I've got a slighlty open mind

If not deliberate, maybe the players are subconsciously affected by having the comfort of wildcards? Indeed, if they all come from well-heeled backgrounds - as Paul suggests - maybe that's the issue and not the wildcards.

i.e. it doesn't mean they're not grafting as much as they can. But maybe their personal limits of 'as much as they can' is lower than some others?

Again, I'm not saying I agree or think this - just that all aspects are worth considering....

Also, just to note, Dan Evans is one of the few GB players who doesn't come from a well-off upper middle class sort of family - is that pertinent?

I agree this is a really interesting discussion driven I would say by some frustration that currently due to injury or some other mishap our British women arent performing. Surely the question is why? Katie B was doing well last year and Harriet and it all seems to have fallen apart. Fran Jones in my honest opinion is beyond criticism as I think it is amazing how she manages to play at all and is a credit to the game. But why are they so prone to injury? Surely there must be a reason - is it how we develop our players through juniors? I cant think it us just the silver spoon scenario tbh - I think it maybe more complex than that.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Var wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
I think it's a really interesting discussion

And I love Paul's 'rant' - you can tell it comes from the heart

I've got a slighlty open mind

If not deliberate, maybe the players are subconsciously affected by having the comfort of wildcards? Indeed, if they all come from well-heeled backgrounds - as Paul suggests - maybe that's the issue and not the wildcards.

i.e. it doesn't mean they're not grafting as much as they can. But maybe their personal limits of 'as much as they can' is lower than some others?

Again, I'm not saying I agree or think this - just that all aspects are worth considering....

Also, just to note, Dan Evans is one of the few GB players who doesn't come from a well-off upper middle class sort of family - is that pertinent?

I agree this is a really interesting discussion driven I would say by some frustration that currently due to injury or some other mishap our British women arent performing. Surely the question is why? Katie B was doing well last year and Harriet and it all seems to have fallen apart. Fran Jones in my honest opinion is beyond criticism as I think it is amazing how she manages to play at all and is a credit to the game. But why are they so prone to injury? Surely there must be a reason - is it how we develop our players through juniors? I cant think it us just the silver spoon scenario tbh - I think it maybe more complex than that.

And whether it is relevant here, I dont know, but Jack D is more regularly injured than many of them, Emma included, Paul Jubb is another, Ali Gray maybe as well. Its maybe not as prevalent in the men but its there. Liam recently as well has gone through it.

the addict · Tennis legend

Surbiton doubles acceptance list is published on the ITF website and has a few hints at pairings for Wimbledon doubles. Room for some GB wikdcards there as well.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Put this in the mens also

We know winners of the challenger grass events like Ilkley will get wild cards
If they arent already ranked high enough to get in; what happens if a complete outsider wins an event like the Italian 125 or s-hertogenbosch? Will they get a wild card?

jb288 · Satellite level

the addict wrote:
Surbiton doubles acceptance list is published on the ITF website and has a few hints at pairings for Wimbledon doubles. Room for some GB wikdcards there as well.

Interesting that several - Eden, Katie S & EWS - have gone with 'new' non-Brit partners, which puts them way down the wildcard priority list (I'm sure EWS has played with Kempen before but possibly not enough to meet the requirement). However, I'm sure we'll see some flexibility if there are good results.

Lambda · Challenger level

Yes. While it's often stated there are WCs reserved for the winners of the Trophy events, that's only because winners of the other events are expected to be already in the main draw. AELTC will give a WC to the winner of any of the lead in grass events that isn't already in the MD - for example when Samsonova won Berlin in 2021. I believe AELTC partially fund, licence or are the rights holder of many of the European grass events so they wouldn't look at them any differently to the GB events.

the addict · Tennis legend

jb288 wrote:
the addict wrote:
Surbiton doubles acceptance list is published on the ITF website and has a few hints at pairings for Wimbledon doubles. Room for some GB wikdcards there as well.
Interesting that several - Eden, Katie S & EWS - have gone with 'new' non-Brit partners, which puts them way down the wildcard priority list (I'm sure EWS has played with Kempen before but possibly not enough to meet the requirement). However, I'm sure we'll see some flexibility if there are good results.

There is also the possibility of some junior pairs being in the running, and I see that Holly Hutchinson and Madeleine Brooks are climbing the rankings as an established pair this year (both with big jumps in CH's on Coric live rankings)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
Yes. While it's often stated there are WCs reserved for the winners of the Trophy events, that's only because winners of the other events are expected to be already in the main draw. AELTC will give a WC to the winner of any of the lead in grass events that isn't already in the MD - for example when Samsonova won Berlin in 2021. I believe AELTC partially fund, licence or are the rights holder of many of the European grass events so they wouldn't look at them any differently to the GB events.

Thanks Lambda - that makes sense and , tbh, I am pleased to see that all could treated in this way. As you say, probably unusual as most event winners will already be ranked high enough, but worthy of note as it will detract from available wild cards - the little Italian W125 event in Gaiba would seem the most likely to me to throw up a lower ranked winner?

Lambda · Challenger level

Lambda wrote:

Venus has a WC to 's-Hertogenbosch so I think it's likely she has a Wimbly WC.

If Venus and Svitolina have a WC and WCs are needed for Surbiton and Ilkley winners then either Hev or Katie S could miss out as there would only be room for 4 Brits.

And she has a WC for Birmingham. The LTA say 2 major wild card additions have been confirmed for Birmingham but only name Venus.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Svitolina is the other I think?

Emily App must think she and Lohoff have a shot at getting a wildcard for her to have not started up an all-GB pairing (would guess it would have needed to be Eden or EWS)? Or they are just trying to keep the partnership rolling as long as they can but she'll enter Wimbledon with a Brit.

But Freya/Ali, Naiktha/Maia and Heather/Harriet all seem nailed on.

Jodie will be able to choose a partner (most likely Katie B? But she could go with Eden) I think if she's defacto GB #1.

Var · Pro player

Lambda wrote:
Lambda wrote:

Venus has a WC to 's-Hertogenbosch so I think it's likely she has a Wimbly WC.

If Venus and Svitolina have a WC and WCs are needed for Surbiton and Ilkley winners then either Hev or Katie S could miss out as there would only be room for 4 Brits.

Any chance of eeing Mirra Andreeva before Wimbeldon - would love to see her at Eastbourne.

And she has a WC for Birmingham. The LTA say 2 major wild card additions have been confirmed for Birmingham but only name Venus.

the addict · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Svitolina is the other I think?

Emily App must think she and Lohoff have a shot at getting a wildcard for her to have not started up an all-GB pairing (would guess it would have needed to be Eden or EWS)? Or they are just trying to keep the partnership rolling as long as they can but she'll enter Wimbledon with a Brit.

But Freya/Ali, Naiktha/Maia and Heather/Harriet all seem nailed on.

Jodie will be able to choose a partner (most likely Katie B? But she could go with Eden) I think if she's defacto GB #1.

I agree with these choices, and hopefully Lissey and Liv will get in directly and not need a wildcad (their ranking has slipped back a little over the clay season).

I think Jodie and Katie S might be a pairing that would do well. Then there is Eden and Beth (if Beth plays), Lily and Lauren and Emily W-S with Magali Kempen. Next in line I would put Holly and Madeleine who are roaring up the rankings. And then there are the juniors - who may get one or two of the wildcards.

Not all of the above will be successful, but perhaps performances at Surbiton next weel will give an indication.