Week 4 - ITF W60 - Sunderland, Great Britain Hard

RJH1962 · Intermediate Club Player

RE: Week 4 - ITF W60 - Sunderland, Great Britain Hard

DF · Tennis legend

Paulisi was correct. The unknown WC went to . . . . . Sonay

indiana · Tennis legend

RJH1962 wrote:
telstar wrote:
Rich2310 wrote:
Reading some of these comments about the conditions I really do not know how the players put up with it. Ok this may be the other end of tennis away from the packed stadiums and fancy tour events and slams, but, these players are fighting to improve their game and climb the rankings. Does anyone know what the drop out rate is with tennis because there must be many players who sadly have to gibe up because of lack of money. It's about time that less money was put in right at the top of the game. Does a slam winner really need nearly 3 million and more money given at the lower levels to help players just get from A to B. As for the facilities there is no excuse these days for leaky roofs, cold conditions, no spare practice courts etc. If adequate facilities that are safe and proper for all cannot ne met then the event in question should not be allowed to go ahead. Simple as.....
100% agree!
I'm not sure the answer is that simple however. Whilst I do agree the players do deserve to be treated well, if the alternative was that the event didn't take place at all and it takes away their ability to get some money and points then perhaps they would put up with the inconvenience.

Indeed. There was a lot of criticism.about the previous lack of GB ITF events. So, yes while it is a pity to hear about such problems ( and what can reasonably be done to avoid these clearly should be ) I very much doubt that they would prefer the no event alternative.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 23rd of January 2023 05:55:55 PM

Rich2310 · County player

indiana wrote:
RJH1962 wrote:
telstar wrote:
Rich2310 wrote:
Reading some of these comments about the conditions I really do not know how the players put up with it. Ok this may be the other end of tennis away from the packed stadiums and fancy tour events and slams, but, these players are fighting to improve their game and climb the rankings. Does anyone know what the drop out rate is with tennis because there must be many players who sadly have to gibe up because of lack of money. It's about time that less money was put in right at the top of the game. Does a slam winner really need nearly 3 million and more money given at the lower levels to help players just get from A to B. As for the facilities there is no excuse these days for leaky roofs, cold conditions, no spare practice courts etc. If adequate facilities that are safe and proper for all cannot ne met then the event in question should not be allowed to go ahead. Simple as.....
100% agree!
I'm not sure the answer is that simple however. Whilst I do agree the players do deserve to be treated well, if the alternative was that the event didn't take place at all and it takes away their ability to get some money and points then perhaps they would put up with the inconvenience.

Indeed. There was a lot of criticism.about the previous lack of GB ITF events. So, yes while it is a pity to hear about such problems I do doubt they would prefer the no event alternative.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 23rd of January 2023 05:29:30 PM

Yes, I can see the points you both make and I agree in many ways. But it's not right for inadequate facilities to have to be used. Certainly not somewhere like the UK. Nobody is suggesting the venue is going to be super lavish but freezing cold and leaky roofs does not really make a good point. I just think if all the money that is given at the very top of the game was not as much then there would be better money for these lower ranked players and maybe some better funding for the facilities. I may be talking nonsense here and certainly don't have the answers but imagine if a player was to slip because of a leaky roof, break their leg or ankle and be out the game for months there would be uproar. Health and safety should be a priority regardless of what level event it is. I just think these players deserve a little more than they are expected to put up with.

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q2: AMOS, Abigail (GBR) 1147 lost to MALYGINA, Elena (EST) (1) 351 2-6 7-6(5) 6-7(1)
Q2: GILLAN, Alice (GBR) (15) 752 lost to RINALDO PERSSON, Kajsa (SWE) (5) 441 4-6 6-3 [7-10]
Q2: CONWAY, Jasmine (GBR) (12) 602 def EIKERI, Ulrikke (NOR) (6) 442 7-5 7-6(5)
Q2: DALEY, Danielle (GBR) 1076 def CORTEZ LLORCA, Lucia (ESP) (7) 477 7-6(7) 6-1
Q2: DUNNE, Katy (GBR) (14) 696 def APPLETON, Emily (GBR) (8) 489 7-6(4) 6-3

R1: CHRISTIE, Freya (GBR) WC 427 (CH=286 2016) v BARTHEL, Mona (GBR) 222 (CH=23 2013)
R1: DALEY, Danielle (GBR) Q 1076 (CH=1057 2022) v SHINIKOVA, Isabella (BUL) Q 376 (CH=133 2017)
R1: KARTAL, Sonay (GBR) (8) WC 206 (CH=198 2022) v SZABANIN, Natalia (HUN) 249 (CH=245 2022)
R1: LUMSDEN, Maia (GBR) 473 (CH=250 2019) v KEMPEN, Magali (BEL) 211 (CH=209 2022)
They met in 2020 with Maia winning 5 & 1 Ret.
R1: MALONEY, Eliz (GBR) WC 403 (CH=387 2022) v BOUZAS MANEIRO, Jessica (ESP) (5) 183 =CH
R1: SILVA, Eden (GBR) 309 (CH=305 2022) v KRAUS, Sinja (AUT) (6) 192 =CH
R1: GREY, Sarah Beth (GBR) 465 (CH=277 2022) v DUNNE, Katy (GBR) Q 696 (CH=212 2018)
They met in Nottingham in 2014 with Katy winning 1 & 4
R1: MIYAZAKI, Yuriko Lily (GBR) (4) 178 =CH v OZGEN, Pemra (TUR) 281 (CH=182 2019)
They met in 2021 with Lily winning 2 & 2
R1: CONWAY, Jasmine (GBR) Q 602 (CH=598 2023) {18yo JCH=80} v PALICOVA, Barbora (CZE) (7) 205 (CH=200 2022) {18yo JCH=21}
They met in 2022 with Barbora winning 4 & 1 Ret.

Late Change:-

R1: DUNNE, Katy (GBR) Q 696 (CH=212 2018) v GIMBRERE, Jasmijn (NED) LL 557 (CH=508 2022)

-- Edited by Peter too on Wednesday 25th of January 2023 06:08:12 PM

the addict · Tennis legend

Doubles draw in full, with rankings as at 16 January 2023

L16:- Freya Christie (GBR) / Ali Collins (GBR) CR329 (171+158) [1] v BYE
L16:- Joanna Garland (TPE) / Isabella Shinikova (BUL) CR847 (439+408) v Teodora Prisadnikova (GBR) / Francesca Simpson (GBR) UNR (15yo+16yo)

L16:- Emily Appleton (GBR) / Yuriko Lily Miyazaki (GBR) CR504 (190+314) [3] v Andre Lukosiute (LTU) / Eliz Maloney (GBR) CR827 (435+392)
L16:- Angelica Moratelli (ITA) / Natalia Szabanin (HUN) CR906 (170+736) v Lauryn John-Baptiste (GBR) / Katarina Stresnakova (SVK) CR819 (406+413)

L16:- Soumeya Anane (GBR) / Jessica Matthews (GBR) CR 1952(1076+876) v Abigail Amos (GBR) / Emma Wilson (GBR) CR1505 (743+762)
L16:- Magali Kempen (BEL) / Eden Silva (GBR) CR570 (231+339) v Marina Bassols Ribera (ESP) / Despina Papamichail (GRE) CR512 (298+214) [4]

L16:- Lena Papadakis (GER) / Lesley Pattinama Kerkhove (NED) CR695 (345+350) v Jasmijn Gimbrere (NED) / Bibiane Schoofs (NED) CR607 (213+394)
L16:- Lucia Cortez Llorca (ESP) / Kathleen Kanev (GER) CR933 (436+497) v Maia Lumsden (GBR) / Elena Malygina (EST) CR474 (221+253) [2]

paulisi · Tennis legend

Must be difficult when you have to play one of your best mates in the first round - Katy v Beth

Not a great set of draws, but quite a few have a half decent chance of progression.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
Must be difficult when you have to play one of your best mates in the first round - Katy v Beth

Not a great set of draws, but quite a few have a half decent chance of progression.

I don't think we could have had any better set of draws.

We've avoided the top three seeds.

Seven players are playing against completely unseeded players

It's a W60 - it was always going to be tough

PaulM · Tennis legend

Let's just hope Beth can take to the court and get through the match feeling well. Such a shame that when it was finally clicking into place and she was moving up inside the top 300 she had the set back with her heart.

the addict · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Let's just hope Beth can take to the court and get through the match feeling well. Such a shame that when it was finally clicking into place and she was moving up inside the top 300 she had the set back with her heart.

Not the best of draws. Katy and Beth have been training together quite a lot recently as well as being good friends. Katy appears to have recovered from her recent ankle injury but I'm not sure just how Beth is right now.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I think it's great that Katy and Beth have drawn each other - they're both crying out for decent victories at the moment, but pushed to get them at this level, so at least one of them will

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Love to see 15 year-old Teodora Prisadnikova is in the doubles - shame there's a BYE

paulisi · Tennis legend

Sonay and Lily are both a set up.
Didn't realise Sonay hadn't won a match on tour for over 3 months

DF · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
Sonay and Lily are both a set up.
Didn't realise Sonay hadn't won a match on tour for over 3 months

She has not played many either. She had not put her name down for this tournament even though she will soon have so many points to defend.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Lily wins 2&3 and is closing in on overtaking Heather Watson in the rankings