Weeks 26 and 27 - The Championships, Wimbledon (grass) - men's singles

JayKayFulham · Social player

Weeks 26 and 27 - The Championships, Wimbledon (grass) - men's singles

christ · Futures level

All it needs is for an American to go deep and then there is likely to be a lawsuit over the points. I don't think that it is a foregone conclusion.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Got called away on a phone call at 1-1. Come back to find Liam has run away with the final set.

I mean WOW.

indiana · Tennis legend

It's great the depth that has been coming through generally beyond Andy, Cam and Dan. And that these performances are being produced here to make the players so much better known to a wider audience.

Madadman · Masters Series Champion

JayKayFulham wrote:
So impressive Liam. And, so, so happy for him. Ive been fortunate to see him play at several of the grass tournaments and he seems more accurate and consistent and I love to hear him motivating himself during matches. I hope he makes top 100 soon in the US swing - I really think he will. Well done Liam

Hopefully! He has 33 points to defend post Wimbledon till the end of August but then has 134 off in September alone! He's currently about 140 points from the top 100.

Rich2310 · County player

I know there is not much point in banging on about the loss of ranking points here but seeing our players do so well.
You cannot help but think where their ranking would be right now on live rankings.
For Liam it could be the difference between getting into the US open direct or having to qualify.

emmsie69 · Top national player

christ wrote:
All it needs is for an American to go deep and then there is likely to be a lawsuit over the points. I don't think that it is a foregone conclusion.

It doesn't have to be an American, I think if an outlier gas a good run there'll be a lawsuit. It impacts what tournaments they get into and therefore points and money for the next year

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

As Indy says though, there are so many variables .... we can't really say 'but what if they'd have had points'.....

Maybe our players would have felt a lot more pressure if there were points on offer and would have not won in the first place; maybe the converse; maybe Liam would have been drawn against Medvedev and been thrashed.....maybe....maybe....

I think our players are loving doing well at Wimbly, the pinnacle for a GB player; getting very healthy pay-cheques; getting interviewed; their faces on front pages - it's all great. The points are what they are - we'll never know how the matches would have panned out if points had been on offer

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
As Indy says though, there are so many variables .... we can't really say 'but what if they'd have had points'.....

Maybe our players would have felt a lot more pressure if there were points on offer and would have not won in the first place; maybe the converse; maybe Liam would have been drawn against Medvedev and been thrashed.....maybe....maybe....

I think our players are loving doing well at Wimbly, the pinnacle for a GB player; getting very healthy pay-cheques; getting interviewed; their faces on front pages - it's all great. The points are what they are - we'll never know how the matches would have panned out if points had been on offer

Liam, Heather, Katie have all got £120k so far. Plus whatever they have got from doubles in Liam and Heather's case. If Jack wins he joins them (Cam already has but £120 k is less meaningful for him). And they could all be playing for £190k (an additional £70k) in their next matches.

That is a tidy sum and will set them up for a little while

Aberdaberdonian · Club Coach

Just got in and seen Liam's result. Fantastic stuff. As others have said shame about the points, but Liam's no flash in the pan so im sure he'll manage to reap the rewards eventually. Getting a win like that can only re-affirm his confidence in his ability and stand him in good stead for his next tournaments.

indiana · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
christ wrote:
All it needs is for an American to go deep and then there is likely to be a lawsuit over the points. I don't think that it is a foregone conclusion.
It doesn't have to be an American, I think if an outlier gas a good run there'll be a lawsuit. It impacts what tournaments they get into and therefore points and money for the next year

The trouble is Wimbledon impacted on who could conpete and win points there. I don't see a case but hey I'm not a smart lawyer.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Nakashima is close to beating Shapo as well in bottom half. - scratch, has beaten Shapo

And Sock is up on Cressy.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

I guess my thought is that the players entered Wimbledon knowing there are no points and could have dropped out if it was an issue to cause them to litigate. They formed a contract by entering and playing, in essence, with the ATP. ANd Wimbledon caused them to enter knowing that situation and moved ahead to cause the event to go ahead

Regardless of the ins and outs I dont see them having a case. Sad though it may be

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
christ wrote:
All it needs is for an American to go deep and then there is likely to be a lawsuit over the points. I don't think that it is a foregone conclusion.
It doesn't have to be an American, I think if an outlier gas a good run there'll be a lawsuit. It impacts what tournaments they get into and therefore points and money for the next year
The trouble is Wimbledon impacted on who could conpete and win points there. I don't see a case but hey I'm not a smart lawyer.

Yes, difficult to see a case, given the decision was taken transparently, up-front, plenty of time in advance of the event, so there's no question of changing the goalposts. The best argument would be that the ATP/WTA, for some reason, do not have the power to remove points but that would depend on their constitution and I haven't seen any suggestion of this.

Would like to know which player would have the funds to pay for such a challenge - obviously the ATP/WTA players' council or whatever would be the best group (a players' group that can bring a collective action, far more financially viable) but, given they're the ATP players' council, are they going to sue the ATP?

Aberdaberdonian · Club Coach

Just realised if Jack wins his next match (and its a big if), we would have Jack vs Liam for a place in the 4th round. How amazing is that. biggrin biggrin