Lambda wrote:

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My guess is they use the UTR after placing those with a WTA ranking but as the UTR site is not designed for the casual fan its impossible to find a player's UTR. I assume after placing the top 4, the rest are drawn from a pot of 4 for #2s and a pot of 4 for #3s.

If we use the WTN instead which should be fairly similar order to the UTR, then the #2 and #3 players are right. The only question mark is why LJB is placed higher than Stresnakova. That will be correct on tomorrow's rankings when LJB regains a WTA ranking, but they're both unranked today and Stresnakova has the higher WTN, LTA combined ranking and LTA rating.

Based on WTN the order would be
Alice Gillan WTA 873 - A1
Andre Lukosiute WTA 1138 - B1
Holly Hutchinson WTA 1428 - D1
Katie Stresnakova 6.5 - B2

LJB 8.1 - C1
Madeleine Brooks 11.3 - D2
Danielle Daley 12.0 - A2
Nadia Rawson 12.0 - C2

Issy Purser 12.0 - B3
Michelle Dzjachangirova 14.1 - D3
Hannah Smith 14.3 - A3
Marni Banks NA - C3

For some reason Marni doesn't have a WTN, at least not showing on her LTA competitions profile.

Edit: typo

-- Edited by Lambda on Sunday 20th of February 2022 07:43:44 AM

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Britains Lawn Tennis Association (LTA), has already officially announced adoption of the ITF World Tennis Number for players of all standards making Britain one of the first countries in the world to introduce the brand new, inclusive, innovative (sic) and modern rating system. The development of the system appears to be UK centric based on related claims that world-leading expertise of Imperial College London and ITF Data Scientists contributed to the development of the algorithms.

This made me chuckle

One opportunity that is genuinely lost with the development of the World Tennis Number is branding the new system as the World Tennis Factor which would be abbreviated as WTF. Throughout this post I have consistently spelled out World Tennis Number. Coincidently, that also seems to be the standard notation used by the other organizations that promote it. WTN is not a thing. On the other hand, WTF is a well-understood concept that seems to be apropos. WTF, WTF, WTF.

https://fiendatcourt.com/my-first-official-take-on-world-tennis-number/

the addict wrote:

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Semi-final lineups

Men

SF1: Brandon Murphy v Charlie Broom
SF2: Josh Paris v Dan Cox

Women

SF1: Marni Banks v Katie Stresnakova
SF2: Lauryn John-Baptiste v Andre Lukosiute

-- Edited by the addict on Friday 25th of February 2022 10:11:59 AM

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 I think I am correct that as well as Brandon taking the mens rankings lead after this week, that Katie Stresnakova could take the womens? I think she is on 22 points (adding in 10 for this week), Vasilescu is on 26, so a semis win will take her to 27 and the lead (FWIW!) 

Ace Ventura wrote:

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I've just seen the women's overall table and it does look crazy to see 5 of the top 6 players being non GB players, with 3 of them having pretty much no UK links at all, plus Andre will definitely be joining the top 9 at the end of the week, so that will be 6 of the 9. I'm largely in favour of it to be honest because if they are struggling to attract home players, which does seem the case, and a lot of those Brits they do sign up struggle (unexpectedly), it does help improve the standard, and the likes of Sonay, Eliz, Marni etc. will have gained far more facing the likes likes of Vasilescu, or Stresnakova, than they would against those fellow home players where anything less than a routine 6-1/2 6-1/2 win would be considered poor. It just does kind of defeat the overall objective of the below though:

Bringing together the UKs top Professional Tennis Players, the UK Pro League is a season-long competition to crown Britains men and women Champions.

The UK Pro League is a professional tennis tournament, where British pro tennis players compete in nine individual week-long qualifying events leading to a Final Week where the UK Pro Champion is decided.

If Andre, Katarina, and Joanna qualify for the finals week and are in the UK at the time, then you'd expect those to show up with the big money on the line, but it'll be interesting to see what the likes of Samavati and Malygina do, especially if their respective current rankings are a lot further forward and they were planning an ITF swing around that period. Those two would however probably need to play at least one more week and add to their current tally to be in realistic qualifying contention, so I guess if they did (or could) sign up for one of the final 4 regular weeks, their intentions will become clearer.

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 I think the rise of the ITF events in the UK probably has a negative knock on impact on the UKPL, overall, as our better players are getting plenty of tennis now and probably dont have the incentive for this - rankings points out do money. So they may play the odd week but not as many as before. The mens side is also weaker than last year, although it is still totally British players as far as I recall. Personally, I think they should have stuck with Brits only on the womens side and taken the risk/done more to attract players to the event. I think a finals to crown Britain men and womens champions is laudable but the finals need to comprise British players, otherwise it is purely just an exho for lowly ranked players to get some cash and practice in.  

JonH comes home wrote:

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Ace Ventura wrote:

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I've just seen the women's overall table and it does look crazy to see 5 of the top 6 players being non GB players, with 3 of them having pretty much no UK links at all, plus Andre will definitely be joining the top 9 at the end of the week, so that will be 6 of the 9. I'm largely in favour of it to be honest because if they are struggling to attract home players, which does seem the case, and a lot of those Brits they do sign up struggle (unexpectedly), it does help improve the standard, and the likes of Sonay, Eliz, Marni etc. will have gained far more facing the likes likes of Vasilescu, or Stresnakova, than they would against those fellow home players where anything less than a routine 6-1/2 6-1/2 win would be considered poor. It just does kind of defeat the overall objective of the below though:

Bringing together the UKs top Professional Tennis Players, the UK Pro League is a season-long competition to crown Britains men and women Champions.

The UK Pro League is a professional tennis tournament, where British pro tennis players compete in nine individual week-long qualifying events leading to a Final Week where the UK Pro Champion is decided.

If Andre, Katarina, and Joanna qualify for the finals week and are in the UK at the time, then you'd expect those to show up with the big money on the line, but it'll be interesting to see what the likes of Samavati and Malygina do, especially if their respective current rankings are a lot further forward and they were planning an ITF swing around that period. Those two would however probably need to play at least one more week and add to their current tally to be in realistic qualifying contention, so I guess if they did (or could) sign up for one of the final 4 regular weeks, their intentions will become clearer.

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 I think the rise of the ITF events in the UK probably has a negative knock on impact on the UKPL, overall, as our better players are getting plenty of tennis now and probably dont have the incentive for this - rankings points out do money. So they may play the odd week but not as many as before. The mens side is also weaker than last year, although it is still totally British players as far as I recall. Personally, I think they should have stuck with Brits only on the womens side and taken the risk/done more to attract players to the event. I think a finals to crown Britain men and womens champions is laudable but the finals need to comprise British players, otherwise it is purely just an exho for lowly ranked players to get some cash and practice in.  

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Yeah, the GB ITFs have definitely impacted the women's line up thus far, especially week 2. I've not seen the GB ITF landscape in relation to the final 4 weeks, but hopefully it will allow more (better) British women to play.

I guess the likes of Andre (living here for years), Joanna (splitting time between two countries, plus birth and parent links), and Katarina (studying) have a lot more weight than basically plucking overseas ITF players who were already in the country for an event to fill out a schedule, but it would be nice if those earning significant prize money were actually considered GB players - e.g. even Joanna was referred to as a 'pesky' on here the other week in an ITF event, but at the same time, we've seen over the previous editions of the UKPL that there are British players basically making up the numbers, lucky to get a game on the board, and will often be around 10/1+ heading in their matches, and there's not really much point in those playing either. Eliz won a completed match in literally 33 minutes last year, and that's not really doing either player any good, so I still think if it's a case of one or the other, I'd always go for the more competitive option, even if it does go against the overlying objectives, but in an ideal world, there would be as many more competent GB players as possible involved.

What's the story here, CD?

LordBrownof wrote:

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What's the story here, CD?

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 I private messaged you, LB