2022 British Tournaments

the addict · Tennis legend

2022 British Tournaments

indiana · Tennis legend

I'm afraid that I'm not surprised to see no 15Ks. The LTA have become rather boneheaded about them when there do appear to be obvious benefits for these trying to break through with less LTA or independent support.

They do actually want to see some later developing players who are not already largely in / have come through the LTA system?

Though some of the in crowd could benefit too.

Lambda · Challenger level

The LTA have quietly published the document detailing feed up WCs in a place I wasn't looking for it.
https://www.lta.org.uk/globalassets/play/player-pathway/competitions-calendar/2022-wildcard-feed-ups.pdf

For women, main draw wild cards are offered to the winner of the UK Pro league, including week 9 and finals week this year, British Tour masters and British Tour Premier events. The runner-up of UK Pro league finals week also earns a main draw wild card. Qualifying wild cards are offered to the winner of the main progress tour events and runners up of UK Pro league.

For men it is similar but there are some differences, for example, additional qualifying wild cards for the runners up of British Tour Masters and this weeks Premier and next weeks Progress Tour winner gets a main draw Wild card. There appear to be no feed up wild cards from week 9 and finals week of this years Pro league for the men.

The winners of the 16U and 18U Nationals get numerous wild cards.

Other info we can get from this, and in particular for JonH, it seems to confirm Ilkley is planned this year (the 18U Nationals girls winner and runner-up get WCs there).

There appears to be five 25Ks planned for July and August.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Good find, Lambda

So does that mean Lauryn JB gets a wildcard into Bath, as she won Week 9?

If so, I'll be very happy.

And two for Freya, coz of Loughborough, and being runner-up in the Pro League Finals?

(Sonay was never in question.....)

Looking good..... :)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
The LTA have quietly published the document detailing feed up WCs in a place I wasn't looking for it.
https://www.lta.org.uk/globalassets/play/player-pathway/competitions-calendar/2022-wildcard-feed-ups.pdf

For women, main draw wild cards are offered to the winner of the UK Pro league, including week 9 and finals week this year, British Tour masters and British Tour Premier events. The runner-up of UK Pro league finals week also earns a main draw wild card. Qualifying wild cards are offered to the winner of the main progress tour events and runners up of UK Pro league.

For men it is similar but there are some differences, for example, additional qualifying wild cards for the runners up of British Tour Masters and this weeks Premier and next weeks Progress Tour winner gets a main draw Wild card. There appear to be no feed up wild cards from week 9 and finals week of this years Pro league for the men.

The winners of the 16U and 18U Nationals get numerous wild cards.

Other info we can get from this, and in particular for JonH, it seems to confirm Ilkley is planned this year (the 18U Nationals girls winner and runner-up get WCs there).

There appears to be five 25Ks planned for July and August.

Thank you Lambda, thats appreciated re the Ilkley tip off. When its confirmed Id like to be able to take my Dad there again, hell be 82 by then but Im sure hed love it.

dodrade · Futures qualifying

Lambda wrote:
The LTA have quietly published the document detailing feed up WCs in a place I wasn't looking for it.
https://www.lta.org.uk/globalassets/play/player-pathway/competitions-calendar/2022-wildcard-feed-ups.pdf

For women, main draw wild cards are offered to the winner of the UK Pro league, including week 9 and finals week this year, British Tour masters and British Tour Premier events. The runner-up of UK Pro league finals week also earns a main draw wild card. Qualifying wild cards are offered to the winner of the main progress tour events and runners up of UK Pro league.

For men it is similar but there are some differences, for example, additional qualifying wild cards for the runners up of British Tour Masters and this weeks Premier and next weeks Progress Tour winner gets a main draw Wild card. There appear to be no feed up wild cards from week 9 and finals week of this years Pro league for the men.

The winners of the 16U and 18U Nationals get numerous wild cards.

Other info we can get from this, and in particular for JonH, it seems to confirm Ilkley is planned this year (the 18U Nationals girls winner and runner-up get WCs there).

There appears to be five 25Ks planned for July and August.

Will the Wild Cards on offer mean stronger line ups in the UK Pro League?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

So, we have the four 25ks coming up in Jan and Feb.

And then 4 more in April and May

AND then, although I haven't seen it anywhere else, the wildcard feed-up sheets references FIVE 25ks in July and August

Although I would LOVE to see a few 15ks, that's a serious amount of events. And counting.....

As the guy said, following the Italian model.....

emmsie69 · Top national player

I'm on the fence regarding the 15k situation. The points differencial is so large for the women that it's probably more beneficial to stick with the 25ks, a lucky draw or 2 or a purple patch over the year could really open up the calendar for a player. For the Men, it's a little more balanced as to whether a few 15ks would be helpful but if the LTA are going to potentially put on 12 in the year then the odds of getting a decent run in atleast a couple of them possibly make it worthwhile to only run 25ks, particularly with Covid making it a little harder to travel.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

But to me, it's not the points per se.

It's the learning ladder in order to get to points.

i.e. it's not much use having a lucky draw, that gives you a bump up, if it's not your actual level and you then just fail.

The 15ks serve as an apprenticeship ladder in terms of the tennis itself. So that more players will actually get up to the level of 25ks

(As well as opening it up to more names)

the addict · Tennis legend

Points may be scarce in the 15k's, but a handful of points are needed to get a ranking just to get into the 25k's. You can see from the entries every week in places like Monastir and Antalya.

I'm very much in favour of there being a few 15k's in this country.

-- Edited by the addict on Friday 31st of December 2021 12:52:22 PM

paulisi · Tennis legend

Just look at the logic of holding a women's 25K in Jan when most of our ladies are in Australia.
Just Beth ranked inside top 500 entered. The next batch - Freya, Alicia, Emily WS etc are there for doubles primarily. It would have been good to give chances for lots of our good youngsters to try and get on the ladder I.e those playing the UK money events - Sonay, Nadia, Emma W, Anna B, Ranah, Eliz etc etc
They would all have a chance of winning a couple of rounds and picking up points and not too much cost compared to an overseas trip.

wolf · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Only 32 qualifying draws for M25s seems a bit rubbish.

There is currently 93 alternates for the 32 qualifying draw in the first tournament of the year in Bath.

This week in Tunisia there is a 64 qualifying draw for a M25 so it can be done.

Madadman · Masters Series Champion

Probably comes down to number of courts needed. I assume indoor facilities at Bath are less than Tunisia outdoors. Considering there and mens and womens draws thats a lot of matches to fit in.

wolf · Tennis legend

Point taken, but they could just add a day. When there's a will and all that...

indiana · Tennis legend

My impression, without checking back, is that GB 25K qualifying are almost always ( always? ) 32 l( *edit ) player draws, whatever the location and whether or not the men and women are doubling up.

I have certainly been very well aware of W15 draws with 8 QR1 ties involving fairly well ranked qualifying seeds and GB players very much out of their depth.

No GB W15s and GB W25s where the lower ranked looking to break through get fed to the wolves.

Edit : Sorry, edited from 16 player draws to 32 player draws

Basically I meant 2 qualifying rounds so just had a senile moment

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 1st of January 2022 07:19:07 PM