US College Signings and General College Chat 2022/23

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

US College Signings and General College Chat 2022/23

Elegant Point · Satellite level

I think you have it correct. And definitely, why wouldnt they give the dubs a go? Has been going really well so far smile

JoMo is on the roster for Tennessee 23/24, USC havent updated their roster, but assuming Connor and Toby will be returning for Senior year, ditto Jake. So only Arthur who maybe going pro this yearInteresting to see if hes still on the roster for Spring, as could play pro tour Fall semester and see how it works out?

Elegant Point · Satellite level

With the 2023 collegiate dual match season now complete, many current and former collegians have taken their talents to the professional tours where they have shined over the month of June.

Competing on the ITF Mens and Womens World Tours as well as the ATP and WTA Tours, collegians have accounted for 81 professional titles since the start of June as the college tennis pathway continues to produce tour ready players year-after-year.

Standouts from the 2022-23 collegiate season have transitioned well to the professional game this summer as Ozan Baris (Michigan State), Garrett Johns (Duke), Jacob Fearnley (TCU), Johannus Monday (Tennessee)

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2023/06/20/collegians-start-the-summer-with-championships/

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Continuing the trend of collegians earning opportunities on tour, this initial list of wild cards and direct acceptances included 11 players with ties to college tennis, including two who will be competing in both singles and doubles.

In singles, Ryan Peniston (Memphis) has earned a direct entry into the singles main draw. The Essex native reached the second round of The Championships, Wimbledon 2022 in what was his only Grand Slam main draw appearance. Joining Peniston as a direct entry in the singles main draw will be Arthur Fery (Stanford).

Earning wild cards into the qualifying singles draw will be current collegians in Toby Samuel (South Carolina) and Johannus Monday (Tennessee).

From the doubles draw, seven collegians will be featured in the main draw.

First for the men, Julian Cash (Mississippi St. & Oklahoma St.) and Luke Johnson (Florida & Clemson) are set to pair up after receiving a wild card into the doubles draw. Two teams of current collegians will get their shot at a Grand Slam as Jacob Fearnley (TCU) and Monday will join Connor Thomson (South Carolina) and Samuel in the main draw. Samuel and Thompson finished 2023 as the No. 1 ranked doubles team in the ITA Collegiate Tennis Rankings.

In the womens doubles draw, Alicia Barnett (Northwestern) will earn a wild card into the main draw. The current Top-100 player will look to build on her second round finish from 2022 this year when she pairs up with fellow compatriot Olivia Nicholls.

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2023/06/21/collegians-earn-lta-wild-cards-into-wimbledon/

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

EP, or anybody:

what are the rules now about college players taking prize money?

I remember there used to be a £10k cap, but it had become a lot more flexible, no?

Because both Toby and Jomo have just won £21,750 today, and will be getting a guaranteed £7k approx for the doubles. So that's a chunky sum, really....

Can they take it all?

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Coup Droit wrote:
EP, or anybody:

what are the rules now about college players taking prize money?

I remember there used to be a £10k cap, but it had become a lot more flexible, no?

Because both Toby and Jomo have just won £21,750 today, and will be getting a guaranteed £7k approx for the doubles. So that's a chunky sum, really....

Can they take it all?

The rules changed to allow student to profit from NIL (name, image, likeness), cant find anything prize money apart from for swimmers

https://swimswam.com/how-much-prize-money-can-ncaa-swimmers-take-home-from-international-meets/

For more than a century, or as long as the N.C.A.A. has presided over college sports, athletes had no legal way to earn anything more tangible from their achievements than plaques and trophies. The rules were as clear as they were strict: Players couldnt receive any benefits linked to their participation in a sport. Over the years, football and mens basketball have come to generate billions of dollars for television networks, corporate sponsors and universities. Seven-figure salaries for coaches have become common. The players, however, could get nothing beyond a free often perfunctory education.

That changed on July 1, 2021. Following a Supreme Court decision against the N.C.A.A., the organization ended nearly all its restrictions on what athletes could earn from the use of their names, images and likenesses, an amorphous category that has become known as N.I.L. Overnight, those athletes could make deals with companies and endorse their products. They could even accept money from boosters usually longtime donors, or local businessmen with ties to a university in transactions that previously would have led to severe sanctions against their teams. Around the country, administrators were astonished by the abrupt reversal. Its not a hole in the dike, is how Vince Ille, a senior associate athletic director, describes the N.C.A.A.s change of course. Its the obliteration of the entire dam.

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Monday 26th of June 2023 09:41:39 PM

Lambda · Challenger level

According to this Stanford article published a couple of weeks ago (and mentioning Arthur Fery going pro)

Students can also benefit financially from playing pro events while at school, though only to a certain extent. NCAA eligibility rules state that Division I tennis players may collect up to $10,000 in prize money from professional tournaments each calendar year. Any additional money accepted after reaching that limit may not exceed the athlete's expenses for participating in an event.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Thanks, both. The NIL ruling is really interesting but it doesn't seem quite the same as prize money.

Which means that both men (Toby and JoMo) are going to have to forego a big chunk of money (and counting...)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Thanks, both. The NIL ruling is really interesting but it doesn't seem quite the same as prize money.

Which means that both men (Toby and JoMo) are going to have to forego a big chunk of money (and counting...)

Feels like you need to be able to show a very high expenses bill then!

I am surprised they cant put the excess money over the $10k and expenses into some sort of trust or escrow , on hold until they leave college? Could that happen?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Thanks, both. The NIL ruling is really interesting but it doesn't seem quite the same as prize money.

Which means that both men (Toby and JoMo) are going to have to forego a big chunk of money (and counting...)
Feels like you need to be able to show a very high expenses bill then!
I am surprised they cant put the excess money over the $10k and expenses into some sort of trust or escrow , on hold until they leave college? Could that happen?

THey're not going to be able to have a big expenses bill for attending an event in their own home country. And expenses are expenses, money out.

No, I don't think escrow accounts are allowed

Lambda · Challenger level

I stumbled across the 2022/23 NCAA rulebook and it appears once enrolled in college they can only accept prize money equal to expenses.

12.1.2.4.2 Exception for Prize Money -- Tennis.
12.1.2.4.2.1 Prior to Full-Time Collegiate Enrollment. In tennis, prior to full-time collegiate enrollment,
an individual may accept up to $10,000 per calendar year in prize money based on place finish or performance in
athletics events. Such prize money may be provided only by the sponsor of an event in which the individual
participates. Once the individual has accepted $10,000 in prize money in a particular year, the individual may
receive additional prize money on a per-event basis, provided such prize money does not exceed the individual's
actual and necessary expenses for participation in the event. The calculation of actual and necessary expenses shall
not include the expenses or fees of anyone other than the individual (e.g., coach's fees or expenses, family
member's expenses). (Adopted: 4/26/12, Revised: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13)

12.1.2.4.2.2 After Initial Full-Time Collegiate Enrollment. In tennis, after initial full-time collegiate
enrollment, an individual may accept prize money based on place finish or performance in an athletics event. Such
prize money may not exceed actual and necessary expenses and may be provided only by the sponsor of the event.
The calculation of actual and necessary expenses shall not include the expenses or fees of anyone other than the
individual (e.g., coach's fees or expenses, family member's expenses). (Adopted: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, Revised:
4/25/18)

In Wimbledon, some expenses will be covered by the per diem payment for accommodation and they'll have an on site food allowance.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

OK..... so not even the 10k?

Well, makes the LTA/AELTC happy, I guess. More into the pot.

But nothing, nada? Seems sad....

And I guess they can't take a sabbatical, take the money, and then go back a year later as a student-athlete on scholarship (although they could, of course, go back to college, but now you're having to pay for it, so the value of the prize-money will instantly be negative, unless you've won an absolute bucketload)

NB these NCAA and Stanford sheets back up your regs too

fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/ECMIP/Amateurism_Certification/Prize_Money.pdf

https://stanford_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/Compliance/OutsideParticipationandPrizeMoneyTipSheet.pdf

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Thanks, both. The NIL ruling is really interesting but it doesn't seem quite the same as prize money.

Which means that both men (Toby and JoMo) are going to have to forego a big chunk of money (and counting...)
Feels like you need to be able to show a very high expenses bill then!
I am surprised they cant put the excess money over the $10k and expenses into some sort of trust or escrow , on hold until they leave college? Could that happen?
THey're not going to be able to have a big expenses bill for attending an event in their own home country. And expenses are expenses, money out.
No, I don't think escrow accounts are allowed

The expenses comment was a small joke - Id just been reading about the expenses racked up by the lawyers for Rooney in her case with Vardy, where they stayed in a £2k a night hotel with a £200 mini bar bill theyve put on expenses. Regardless of how rich the participants, that is taking the mickey. My company isnt cheapskate and no mini bar is ever allowed on expenses and a room at 2k a night would see you shown the door! (£200 a night in London gets frowned on).

that led me to comment on padding Out the expenses bill - I dont recommend anyone actually does that in real life!

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Coup Droit wrote:
OK..... so not even the 10k?

Well, makes the LTA/AELTC happy, I guess. More into the pot.

But nothing, nada? Seems sad....

And I guess they can't take a sabbatical, take the money, and then go back a year later as a student-athlete on scholarship (although they could, of course, go back to college, but now you're having to pay for it, so the value of the prize-money will instantly be negative, unless you've won an absolute bucketload)

NB these NCAA and Stanford sheets back up your regs too

fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/ECMIP/Amateurism_Certification/Prize_Money.pdf

https://stanford_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/Compliance/OutsideParticipationandPrizeMoneyTipSheet.pdf

Maybe misremembering , but wasnt there a work around for one of the tennis student athletes ( maybe Paul Jubb?) where the LTA held on to the prize money for a while?

JoMo and Toby will be graduating next May.. Other than that, big expenses bill as mentioned above, including flights back to college biggrin

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Tuesday 27th of June 2023 04:31:02 PM

Elegant Point · Satellite level

Wimbledon Qualifying: Collegians Playing For A Position In The Main Draw
- nice pic of Charlie B

In total, 22 current and former collegians are looking to reach the main draw of Wimbledon this week as they compete in the singles qualifying draw with the hopes of claiming one of the sixteen main draw qualifying spots on both the mens and womens sides of play.

Within the mens qualifying draw, a wave of youth can be seen throughout the collegians competing as five of the twelve players with college ties are either current players or were at the collegiate level within the past two seasons.

Two of these players include Johannus Monday (Tennessee) and Toby Samuel (South Carolina) who were two of the top collegiate singles players over the 2022-23 season. Also Charlie Broom (Dartmouth, Baylor).

https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2023/06/26/wimbledon-qualifying-collegians-playing-for-a-position-in-the-main-draw/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66020961

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Tuesday 27th of June 2023 07:11:09 PM