2019 female prediction rankings

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

2019 female prediction rankings

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

By the way, where's Naiktha in the list?

ROSAMUND · Futures level

Jaggy1876 wrote:
I think the stats are misleading naturally.....

In fact the stats are remarkably accurate in showing the true state of the womens game even allowing for injuries. The only thing is Jo's average would have been lower had I not been the person who gave her the rank of 90.

Michael D · All-time great

ROSAMUND wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
I think the stats are misleading naturally.....
In fact the stats are remarkably accurate in showing the true state of the womens game even allowing for injuries. The only thing is Jo's average would have been lower had I not been the person who gave her the rank of 90.

Lol, I really think you should try getting out of bed the other side some days Rosamund! biggrin biggrin

Sim · County player

Coup Droit wrote:
By the way, where's Naiktha in the list?

Shes's not in as no-one voted for her.....

I can easily add her in for interest

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Sim wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
By the way, where's Naiktha in the list?
Shes's not in as no-one voted for her.....
I can easily add her in for interest

Fair enough smile

It might be good on the excel table to list her as 6th best player, though, otherwise the list looks as though we don't have a number six.

indiana · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
By the way, where's Naiktha in the list?

Strangely no-one went for Naiktha. But anyway she's currently GB #6 in the bun fight of GB players in the 200s, shortly to be joined unfortunately by Katie B.

So yes, re ROSAMUND's post, the snapshot of next week there going to be just 3 Brits in the top 200 is a very poor statistic.

But some folk will know that I personally maintain a rather more optimistic view of the longer term prospects of the current group than some. Clearly injuries to such as Katie B and Jodie have been an issue plus I think some short term issues of lack of form and confidence which can be overcome. Not much good though for here if I have overestimated most current season rankings.

The seemingly unpredictable occurences that inevitably happen just add to the fun of trying to predict. Better though they be positive surprises and there is time yet for maybe one or two surprise late pushes up the rankings.

Michael D · All-time great

indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
By the way, where's Naiktha in the list?

Strangely no-one went for Naiktha. But anyway she's currently GB #6 in the bun fight of GB players in the 200s, shortly to be joined unfortunately by Katie B.
So yes, re ROSAMUND's post, the snapshot of next week there going to be just 3 Brits in the top 200 is a very poor statistic.
But some folk will know that I personally maintain a rather more optimistic view of the longer term prospects of the current group than some. Clearly injuries to such as Katie B and Jodie have been an issue plus I think some short term issues of lack of form and confidence which can be overcome. Not much good though for here if I have overestimated most current season rankings.
The seemingly unpredictable occurences that inevitably happen just add to the fun of trying to predict. Better though they be positive surprises and there is time yet for maybe one or two surprise late pushes up the rankings.

No-one voted for Naiktha because she was Australian at the time we submitted our entries... as you well know... smile smile

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

I obviously sway more towards the pessimistic side of things, like a few others on here, and I am repeating things I have mentioned on a number of threads, but I think this thread is a prime example of that pessimism. I remember at the start of the thread Jaggy mentioning how people shouldn't be allowed to change their picks after Harriet's encouraging Brisbane, as if top 100 was almost nailed on for her, and her average pick is 102, highest 70, and although she had a couple of months off after that Sharapova match, she's still floating around the 150s. She obviously had a very good Wimbledon, reaching the 3rd round, which as was pointed out, is very rare for a Brit, but then again she did draw a LL and a qualifer, who like many, can't repeat the heroics of beating a big name in the prior round. Two very good relative wins for a MDWC, but a 108 LL and a 121 Q is extremely generous to reach a L32 of a slam and 130 points (effectively just covering what she didn't defend in the prior grass events) - you'd be pretty happy with that for the first 2 rounds of a typical WTA International event, and if you look at some of her recent results - straight set defeats to Paar, Anderson, Duval, Tan (all significantly lower ranked and some of them routine), and especially as she is now 23, I think it is fair to say there are more questions about how far she could go now than there was when she beat Jorovic to qualify for the AO.

Swan had an average pick of 118, yet is at her lowest rank for ages, even after a plethora of WCs, and now looks set to miss out on USO quals unless there is a fair few withdrawals in the next 10 days. She is younger than most, and is showing some decent signs in recent weeks, but to be 240 in August after WC after WC in't great - it might be unfair to compare her with young US players who might end up being the real deal, but another Katie, or rather Caty (McNally), used her MDWC in Washington to beat Hsieh en route to the semi final, Baptiste beat Keys at the same event, I've already mentioned Paquet on another long post beating higher ranked players at home events, so I don't think it's too unrealistic to hope that Katie can beat the likes of Siegemund, Smitkova etc. and make the most of the privileges she receives for being born here.

There's just not that much to say about Gabi, it really has been a shocking run and due to withdrawing, retirements, awful defeats etc. she looks a million miles away from the player that went 25-1 20 months ago, and it's difficult to see her even getting back to her career high, never mind threatening to break the top 100, which again, some people predicted for this season.

So that's 3 players there that a fair few, perhaps optimistically, thought could end the year in the top 100, Harriet still could, but will have to start putting a consistent run together soon, and last night would have been a pretty good place to start, and yet none of them have really pushed on in the past 12 months (1 or 2 going backwards). Had one or two of those had solid breakthrough years then losing Katie B for pretty much all of 2019 to date wouldn't have been as bad, yet because everyone seems to have had injuries, bad form, personal setbacks at the same time, her being missing is highlighted massively, and as Status Q said the other day, in an ideal world, we really shouldn't be missing any one player - heaven help if Konta does a Buzarnescu in Cincy next week.

-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Friday 9th of August 2019 01:40:28 PM

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

To prevent that post from being even longer, I'll put this here - one of the 3 current top 200 players we actually do have (or will have next week), Watson has 235 of her 556 points coming off in the next 4 or 5 weeks, without those she'd be almost out the top 200 herself, so she's going to have to have a massive upturn in form just to stay where she currently is, and more likely than not, she's going to drop outside the top 150 heading into Asia, especially as Quebec City doesn't exist this year.

When people mention 'doldrums', they literally do mean top 100 and the WTA scene. The more numbers we have in the 200-300 range obviously means more chance that someone could eventually breakout and crack the top 100 and stay there (not a passing visit) and that currently is where the main problem is - nobody outside of big UK tennis fans will have heard of the likes of Maia or Katy D, and they will barely scrape a living at their current level, even taking into account WCs. It's quite nice following a batch of younger players, or seeing Katie S or Harriet on the odd good W60 stream, but there's literally about 30 people watching those (as often shown), and many ITF events you can't even stream - pretty much no other sport can you have no way of watching some of your countries best players regularly. If they get to a certain level, the level we all want, then every match can be watched via some means.

Peter too · Tennis legend

At least I am moving in the right direction. In the first table I was 61 points behind the leader with only three people on lower scores. I am now 20 points off the lead with eleven people on lower scores. At this rate I might even get into the top half by the end of the season. smile

-- Edited by Peter too on Friday 9th of August 2019 02:05:05 PM

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

I picked all my picks in mens and womens being overly optimistic based on best case scenario for each player. Hence my position and the fact that all our women have probably performed poorer than they can, a lot of which can be accounted for by injuries. Sam Murray if she continues to be able to play should be making to top 300, she is also capable of going higher. If I were her Id target the Aus Open quailes next year however Im not sure if she will play full time as such.

vohor · Grand Slam Champion

Babfive wrote:
There's plenty of time for changes. I think I will just try to enjoy my lead while it lasts.

Good stuff, old friend, keep it going smile

Andy Parker · Strong Club Player

The rankings have been a season of frustration and palpable disappointment I think, but I still think it is a mixed season overall, so far.

The disappointment for me is that our best three young prospects have not improved - losing Katie B, our best young player to injury has been a big loss, and after all the progress she made, watching her ranking points disappear is a worry - on the other hand, hopefully once the back is sorted, she will storm back up the rankings. Katie S appears to have had a crisis of confidence, but her results have been better of late and I feel she will improve again. Harriet has kind of stood still - the results have been mixed, but she is still close enough to the top 100 to break through, hopefully.

Others like Katy D and Gabi will be disappointed not to have been able to improve; whether they have reached their level is too early to say - they are young enough to improve and no-one should give up hope yet.

On the plus side, we should celebrate Jo Ko's fine form at the French and Wimbledon - she has done well where it matters, even if her results elsewhere haven't been as good. Jodie Burrage would get my award for best young player of the year - the new name who early season jumped up the rankings, and again, we should be happy about that.

Francesca is still young and improving, as is Emma, so some excitement there, to see if they can take it to the next level. The other player who has really excited me is Eden Silva - I was enthused with her fine form in the mixed doubles at Wimbledon and I do have hopes that maybe she could be a late developer. The other player, who of course deserves much praise is Sam Murray, 31 years old now, but going close to qualifying for Wimbledon and winning Chiswick last week and playing as well as she has ever done. The addition of Naiktha also means another in the top 250 for us, and she is still very young, so it isn't fair to say that she has found her level.

So overall not really such a bad season and although the rankings haven't shown improvement, I still feel that 2020 will be better for us.

-- Edited by Andy Parker on Tuesday 13th of August 2019 09:30:29 AM

indiana · Tennis legend

Cetainly, Andy, I do still agree about decent potential prospects for 2020 and beyond with some new players pushing on this year and others while having been injured and / or out of form not going away.

I think though overall you are being rather kind to 2019, given the age distribution of our leading players and progress in 2018, and I bloomin' well hope that 2020 is indeed better!

Hopefully a lot better ...