indiana wrote:

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I thought very briefly about that but I am going to pass.

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 The hair or the points ?

JonH wrote:

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I have visions now of some of our detail experts furiously trying to work out what points players will have backdated to august on the new system. I wont name names but suspect someone is at it!!

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On the women's side, as most of our WTA ranked players have avoided 15Ks this year and the back end of last year, there isn't much to work out. There really is only Emma, Emily App and Amanda who will gain significant points and ranking positions. Everyone else outside the top 400 I expect will end up with a lower ranking. With WTA points available at 15K level, some of those that have been struggling at 25Ks may now choose to play 15Ks.

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Good news but going retrospective arguably unfair on those who stepped up to 25ks each week this season and were losing early instead of competing for ITF points in weaker 15ks. Now suddenly they are all worth something those who avoided 15ks altogether could find themselves dropping down significantly and those who played 15ks with barely a WTA ranked player in them suddenly finding themselves with decent rankings.

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Yes I had been thinking about this. It will be unfair on some who deliberately scheduled to try for WTA ranking points in line with the original changes and have not been successful. 

However, I think on balance retrospectively giving WTA ranking credit to what were supposedly purely ITF ranking events is the lesser of two evils in getting back to something better than currently holds. 

Not holding my breath for any apologies from these responsible for all the original changes ( expect much buckpassing ) that are by one being reversed, with this clearly a major one that will indeed leave some players unfairly treated through no fault of their own, other than ambition and trying to adapt to now reversed changes. And so many annoyed and confused by the pig's breakfast over the last 6 months or so with such lack of foresight into consequences ( seen and predicted by others ), largely seemingly through plunging in to implement the original recommendations in full. 

Coup Droit wrote:

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PaulM wrote:

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Good news but going retrospective arguably unfair on those who stepped up to 25ks each week this season and were losing early instead of competing for ITF points in weaker 15ks. Now suddenly they are all worth something those who avoided 15ks altogether could find themselves dropping down significantly and those who played 15ks with barely a WTA ranked player in them suddenly finding themselves with decent rankings.

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Yes, steven made the same point in his tweet. 

As Indy says, it's not necessarily wrong, they're in a huge mess, everyone has been up in arms, and the sooner they comprehensively sort it out the better.

But it certainly underlines the complete shambles, you've got to feel for the players, it's shifting sands (although hopefully THIS time it will be done and left untouched for a while)

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The two women most affected by this are Emily App and Fran, both of whom have been extremely unsuccessful at W25 level this year. But last year Emily was trying to break into the top 500 purely on W15 performances. I don't really think that's right either. For that reason, I think it's good that the WTA points at W15 level have been reduced. Fran has won a few W25 matches, more last year than this actually, and think she needs to persevere at that level, though dropping back to W15 occasionally for confidence boosting is ok.

And i will be very pleased to see players like Emilie and Alice Gillan get their WTA rankings back again. Rightly a player like Chloe Compson will also be demoted to the bottom of the enlarged pile, which is just.

It will be interesting to see the new ITF tables after the points have been "converted".

So Mt. Haggerty, who started all this nonsense, and then had it cancelled on him before you could game, set and match, has now been re-elected as President of the ITF. For the next four years.

And despite having, supposedly, very serious concerns about the ITF's governance, the LTA voted for him, because now wasn't the right time for change (huh?)

And Martin Corrie was also elected on to the Board, which is a nice little number, despite having just resigned as LTA President due to mishandling of the coach sexual assault allegation.

I notice that New Zealand will be hosting a mens M15 tournament in December/January. It appears to be the first futures tournament there since 2010. It looks like they only have one so will be a really low ranking cut off one would imagine. When looking at the last one I noticed that Brydan, when competing under the Australian flag, won the doubles and was runner up in the singles. I wonder if there might be a WC on offer to the ATP qualifying event which is two weeks later.