Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, China (hard)

JonH · All-time great

Week 41 - ATP Masters 1000 - Shanghai, China (hard)

Smudge226 · Strong Club Player

Bob in Spain wrote:
Highly impressive from Kyle today. Having gone 0-2* down, early in that second set, he then dominated, breaking Jarry on three occasions so seal a 7-6(5) 6-3 win.

biggrin Grand..

JonH · All-time great

JonH wrote:
So the trail of contenders for the O2 narrows a little today, this is who is left chasing 5 spots

(As Zverev isnt being called as qualified yet it seems) - down to 15 players chasing those 5 spots.

5. Zverev
6. Cilic
7. Anderson
8. Thiem
9. Isner
10. Nishikori
11. Fognini
12. Tsitsipas
13. Edmund (up from 14)

15. Cecchinato
16. Coric

25. Bautista-Agut

28 De Minaur

36. Jarry

46. Querrey

-- Edited by JonH on Wednesday 10th of October 2018 10:29:27 PM

A lot of players fallen by wayside now today: Kyle needs to keep on winning unfortunately so this narrative could come to an end but for now he is up and running. Coric, Bautista-Agut play later today so could fall away and leave just those in Live positions 5-12 fighting over those few positions.

5. Zverev
6. Cilic
7. Anderson
8. Thiem
9. Isner
10. Nishikori
11. Fognini
12. Edmund (up one more place to live 12)

16. Coric

25. Bautista-Agut

-- Edited by JonH on Thursday 11th of October 2018 10:48:41 AM

-- Edited by JonH on Thursday 11th of October 2018 10:49:10 AM

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

QF: (6) Jamie Murray/Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 23 (11+12) defeated Robert Lindstedt & Dominic Thiem (SWE/AUT) CR 379 (55+324) by 3 & 4

*****

SF: (5) Juan Sebastián Cabal & Robert Farah (COL/COL) CR 15 (8+7) vs (6) Jamie Murray/Bruno Soares (BRA) CR 23 (11+12)

Jaffa · Challenger level

Just waiting for Jaggy to turn up to say he's beaten nobody good yet so doesn't deserve the points

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
A lot of players fallen by wayside now today: Kyle needs to keep on winning unfortunately so this narrative could come to an end but for now he is up and running. Coric, Bautista-Agut and Querrey all play later today so could all fall away and leave just those in Live positions 5-12 fighting over those few positions.
5. Zverev
6. Cilic
7. Anderson
8. Thiem
9. Isner
10. Nishikori
11. Fognini
12. Edmund (up one more place to live 12)

16. Coric

25. Bautista-Agut

46. Querrey

Speculation about whether Kyle can make the WTF in today's City AM.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

I can't see him beating Zverev, but 12 is pretty good for a challenger player

Who knows if anyone will drop out, and even if he's only in the mix for hanging around for knocking up with it would be good experience for him.

Jan · Hall of fame

Well done Kyle!
Oh and Jamie and Bruno too!

SuperT · Futures level

Helen40 wrote:
I can't see him beating Zverev, but 12 is pretty good for a challenger player Who knows if anyone will drop out, and even if he's only in the mix for hanging around for knocking up with it would be good experience for him.

I agree he probably won't beat Zverev, but still think it's a bit insulting to call Kyle a "challenger player" He must have been competing on the tour for a couple of years now, and is competing well at this level, even if he yet to win a tournament. I'm with those on this forum who like to celebrate his achievements - not put him down.

Or maybe this was said with tongue in cheek? If so I apologise Helen!!

-- Edited by SuperT on Thursday 11th of October 2018 12:50:31 PM

Michael D · All-time great

SuperT wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I can't see him beating Zverev, but 12 is pretty good for a challenger player Who knows if anyone will drop out, and even if he's only in the mix for hanging around for knocking up with it would be good experience for him.
I agree he probably won't beat Zverev, but still think it's a bit insulting to call Kyle a "challenger player" He must have been competing on the tour for a couple of years now, and is competing well at this level, even if he yet to win a tournament. I'm with those on this forum who like to celebrate his achievements - not put him down.
Or maybe this was said with tongue in cheek? If so I apologise Helen!!

-- Edited by SuperT on Thursday 11th of October 2018 12:50:31 PM

Helen herself is taking aim at those who have labelled Kyle 'just a challenger level player'. smile

SuperT · Futures level

Michael D wrote:
SuperT wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I can't see him beating Zverev, but 12 is pretty good for a challenger player Who knows if anyone will drop out, and even if he's only in the mix for hanging around for knocking up with it would be good experience for him.
I agree he probably won't beat Zverev, but still think it's a bit insulting to call Kyle a "challenger player" He must have been competing on the tour for a couple of years now, and is competing well at this level, even if he yet to win a tournament. I'm with those on this forum who like to celebrate his achievements - not put him down.
Or maybe this was said with tongue in cheek? If so I apologise Helen!!

-- Edited by SuperT on Thursday 11th of October 2018 12:50:31 PM
Helen herself is taking aim at those who have labelled Kyle 'just a challenger level player'.

Sorry! It was only after posting an initial response that I realised this might be the case. It's hard to remember who the pros and antis are!!!

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Michael D wrote:
SuperT wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I can't see him beating Zverev, but 12 is pretty good for a challenger player Who knows if anyone will drop out, and even if he's only in the mix for hanging around for knocking up with it would be good experience for him.
I agree he probably won't beat Zverev, but still think it's a bit insulting to call Kyle a "challenger player" He must have been competing on the tour for a couple of years now, and is competing well at this level, even if he yet to win a tournament. I'm with those on this forum who like to celebrate his achievements - not put him down.
Or maybe this was said with tongue in cheek? If so I apologise Helen!!

-- Edited by SuperT on Thursday 11th of October 2018 12:50:31 PM
Helen herself is taking aim at those who have labelled Kyle 'just a challenger level player'.

"Taking aim" and hitting the bullseye if you ask me wink

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Bob in Spain wrote:
Michael D wrote:
SuperT wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
I can't see him beating Zverev, but 12 is pretty good for a challenger player Who knows if anyone will drop out, and even if he's only in the mix for hanging around for knocking up with it would be good experience for him.
I agree he probably won't beat Zverev, but still think it's a bit insulting to call Kyle a "challenger player" He must have been competing on the tour for a couple of years now, and is competing well at this level, even if he yet to win a tournament. I'm with those on this forum who like to celebrate his achievements - not put him down.
Or maybe this was said with tongue in cheek? If so I apologise Helen!!

-- Edited by SuperT on Thursday 11th of October 2018 12:50:31 PM
Helen herself is taking aim at those who have labelled Kyle 'just a challenger level player'.
"Taking aim" and hitting the bullseye if you ask me

Yes, to clarify, I've been following Kyle since I saw him age 17 at Wrexham with Greg chaperoning him. I figured he must be something special as there were quite few Brits that week, but Greg had most interest in Kyle's games. It's been irking me considerably that some members of this forum keep saying that he is way overrated and really only worthy to be at challenger level. I'm rapt that Kyle's got this high and hope he can make top 10 next year

JonH · All-time great

So the list of runners as Shanghai reaches the last 8 is:Rankings are Live RACE

5. Zverev
6. Cilic
7. Anderson
8. Thiem
9. Isner
10. Nishikori
11. Fognini
12. Edmund (up one more place to live 12)
14. Coric

Tsitsipas is at 13 but as he is out of Shanghai he can't get enough points to qualify (although clearly others above may drop out of London so I guess he still has something to aim at)

The last 8 is:

Federer v Nishikori - they havent played in 18 months, Federer is 5-2 up over career although not playing that convincingly this week. He is doing the old Pete Sampras act, just enough to win it seems, but still think he will edge out KN is 3

Coric v Ebden - never played before. If Coric wins (and he must be favourite) he will go ahead of Kyle in the Race if Kyle loses.

Kyle v Zverev - met 3 times and all to Zverev incl Beijing last year in straight sets. Zverev is obviously favourite but you never know. I am not sure a loss would finish it for Kyle. After this week there is an ATP 250 next week for him in Antwerp, then ATP 500 and ATP 1000 events. He would need 1600 points to get past Thiem and presumably would need to win all events remaining to make that realistic - unless he can keep going here. But presumably he wont be able to max out his points in that ATP 250 event if he has some counting already, maybe someone else knows the details for Kyle?

Anderson v Djokovic - 6-1 head to head for Djoko and Anderson last won in 2008....

Djoko must be favourite to win the tournie but Coric looks an interesting pick in the top half to make it to the final...

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:

Kyle v Zverev - met 3 times and all to Zverev incl Beijing last year in straight sets. Zverev is obviously favourite but you never know. I am not sure a loss would finish it for Kyle. After this week there is an ATP 250 next week for him in Antwerp, then ATP 500 and ATP 1000 events. He would need 1600 points to get past Thiem and presumably would need to win all events remaining to make that realistic - unless he can keep going here. But presumably he wont be able to max out his points in that ATP 250 event if he has some counting already, maybe someone else knows the details for Kyle?

In terms of Kyle's points to defend, he has 180 from reaching the SF in Vienna last year and then 45 from reaching the 2nd round in Paris.

His lowest counter in the ATP 250 category is 45 from a QF. So as you say, even a victory in Antwerp would only see a net gain of 205 points.