Strongbow wrote:

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indiana wrote:

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These points being shown are just the current system projected points at 22/10 save Katie B and Katie S where it doesn't include their points for this week.

The rankings though look very possible - eg I know Emily App's WTA ranking will take a big fall with her lack of 25K or above points.

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 It is very likely that this won't go ahead given that there are only 10-11 effective weeks before the new year. There is still a lot of the detail that is "TBA". I think that lawyers will be the only winners.

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What do you think is still TBA?

paulisi wrote:

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RedSquirrel wrote:

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Olivia only has 1 counter so doesn't have a WTA ranking. However, the anomaly you suggest doesn't occur as players with a WTA ranking will be accepted to transition tour events ahead of players with only an ITF ranking. The entry list for Pro Circuit and transition tour events will be in order of WTA ranking, ITF ranking and if vacancies remain, national ranking and unranked.

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 That makes more sense.

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 But where are Olivia's points showing in the shadow rankings? I don't see them anywhere? And Eden Richardson's too for that matter? She also has 6 WTA points but no ITF points. The WTA shadow rankings are not showing people with less than 3 counters. 

-- Edited by Michael D on Friday 19th of October 2018 10:09:24 AM

Michael D wrote:

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The WTA shadow rankings are now showing people with less than 3 counters. 

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Where?

curr is 22/10 new is 07/01

 

-- Edited by Strongbow on Friday 19th of October 2018 11:43:57 AM

Womens 25k points are "TBA".

Yes, its the 10 points that is the real problem. As you say, too high.

Indeed in the past I'd have been for even leaving it at 3 points given you'ed have to actually do something to be ranked with less than 3 counters eg a 15K QF to get 2 points plus a further point. And if you got 3 1s you'ed be ranked anyway on the current basis. But yes 5 points would deal with that 25K MD win and more relevant to the new systems with 25Ks not counting towards WTA rankings whereas 15K results will carry into the new ITF rankings.

I believe there used to be no minimum points, just the 3 counters and the 10 points thing was brought in rather arbitrarily so that returning 'stars' could comfortably be ranked again after one tournament. The anomalies lower down the food chain ( already there but could have been much more fully dealt with at that point ) don't seem to have been fully thought through.

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 19th of October 2018 12:51:31 PM

itf hole stated purpose in doing this is to get to about 750 wta ranked pros
even with this change they gonna be at that number already so cant reduce the qualifications for the 10 points and other stuff or they just be making the wta rank player numbers up to high
i expect them in a year or so to go the other way declare that number still to high and so make things evern hardest to get down to about 500
maybe something like 3 counters that didnt come from a winless wc or a winless ll or a winless bye or a winless w/o. theyll argew that this is the levle that shows you good enouhg to be wta ranked and theyll keep tinkerring until the number is grounded down
retired is tough tho as oponnents will retire tactical to deny competitors points but i bet theyd like to do something to deny points for low players getting points when a high rank player retire to if they can find a way too square that circle then theyll add it in as well