Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon - men's singles (grass)

indiana · Tennis legend

Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon - men's singles (grass)

indiana · Tennis legend

FFS, final set TBs Wimbledon !

Get them to play a game with fairly shared serves and the winner wins the match and we can move on. If only ...

Of course there is the sort of Japanese game show alternative - "survival of the fittest"

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 13th of July 2018 05:18:50 PM

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

No Final Set TBs for me. Although its not the best tennis to watch there is something titanic about it. It only happens a handful of times and both have had break points. Would be different if nobody was winning return points but they are. So if is is to be 22-20 in the 5th set then so be it.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
FFS, final set TBs Wimbledon !

Get them to play a game of tennis with fairly shared serves and the winner wins the match and we can move on. If only ...

Yep. Yet again I turned over at 6-6.

The match loses its structure, becomes a cr***p shoot

Watching Jack and the mixed dubs...

scottie1 · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
indiana wrote:
FFS, final set TBs Wimbledon !

Get them to play a game of tennis with fairly shared serves and the winner wins the match and we can move on. If only ...
Yep. Yet again I turned over at 6-6.
The match loses its structure, becomes a cr***p shoot
Watching Jack and the mixed dubs...

i have been watching Jack Draper too I am afraid Isner bored me at the Davis Cup a few years ago in Glasgow and nothing has changed my opinion of him

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

I have no real problem with isner- although I agree he's hardly the most charismatic and his tennis sometimes can be a bit dull - although there had been some amazing pick ups.

But it's just enough is enough - we're done - it's cooked - end of...,

flamingowings · All-time great

It's STILL going!!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

scottie1 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
indiana wrote:
FFS, final set TBs Wimbledon !

Get them to play a game of tennis with fairly shared serves and the winner wins the match and we can move on. If only ...
Yep. Yet again I turned over at 6-6.
The match loses its structure, becomes a cr***p shoot
Watching Jack and the mixed dubs...
i have been watching Jack Draper too I am afraid Isner bored me at the Davis Cup a few years ago in Glasgow and nothing has changed my opinion of him

So have I & he (Isner, that is, not young Jack, obviously!) had the same effect on me in the Davis Cup, too! Jack has at least put Mejía out of his misery by taking a marathon third set by 19-17. The match lasted for four hours & 23 minutes, the final set alone for over two hours! Surprised there isn't a tie-break in the final set for juniors.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

So equally uncharismatic Anderson (semi-)finally puts us out of our misery after six hours & 35 minutes, winning by 26-24 in the fifth.

indiana · Tennis legend

So I assume we are now going to have the other SF played largely under the roof in a supposedly outdoor event. Hopefully they actually finish it today. Probably odds against if there is still an 11 pm cut-off.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

I think it highly unlikely they will finish the match before 11pm. They will be lucky to start the match before 830 by the time the roof closes and the players warm up etc. Only a straight sets win would take less than 2 hrs. If its 1-1 then I can see them stopping after 3 sets.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Need to change the rules - play until 15-15 and then a tie breaker if need be.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Isner has just withdrawn from Newport, I believe...,,

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

paulisi wrote:
Need to change the rules - play until 15-15 and then a tie breaker if need be.

Couldn't disagree more.
Player needs to find a way to win.
If they don't want to go to xx-xx in the final set, they need to develop a well rounded game that allows them gameplans B, C, D, E to employ if it just becomes a serving slugfest, so that they have the agency to change the match. They don't want to do that, though; they'd rather just slug on in an automaton stalemate.
Changing the rules will set a limit on how much a massive server has to endure. They know they can just concentrate on holding serve indefinitely and gamble on TB's. That effectively reduces tennis, to a difference of 2 points a set you have to play on the opponents serve if you feel like it. It rewards big servers for having the inability to round out the entirety of their games and having concentrated on one dimension.
Why not just play 5 TB's? If they have equivalent value. Why not reduce it even further, 3 TB, or even more?
I'd rather we went to three sets throughout rather than go to deciding TB - other Slams do that, good for them, we don't need to. The problem is grass is fastest has the biggesst suscepibility to this over-dominance by the serve-bots.

That said, they will change it though. Maybe not immediately, but soon.
They'll have been changing tennis to enable more of John Isner's style of tennis though; chew that one over, and ruminate on whether that's good for the long term value of the sport.

indiana · Tennis legend

Absolutely I want change and if today's events in both seniors and juniors help, at least that's something.

Except while a later TB is better than what exists I'd have the final set TB at 6-6 as with the other sets.

I like symmetry, quite apart from the other clear issues.

Just doing what other Slams do for for the same of it, no. Doing so because it is better IMO, yes.

And as has often been pointed out a big server, or anyone else, can already go through winning 3 TBs in 3 or 4 sets without breaking.