Random Charts & Nonsense

paulisi · Tennis legend

Random Charts & Nonsense

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

I am again provided with some insight from a reliable informant, and the wilfully facetious comment: "We are clearly a nation of Grass Court speciallists."

the addict · Tennis legend

wink

Michael D · All-time great

I'm not sure that grass season table says much about the ability of British women to play on grass, but more about their being forced to play at tournament levels way above their ranking levels during the grass court season because those are the only tournaments supported by the LTA. For me it is another indictment of their cater only for the elites strategy.

indiana · Tennis legend

Though our players must be generally much more out ranked in their matches in the grass season. So while of course wins are desirable and many of us would like some 15Ks in the grass season the bare stats on wins per entry don't thus translate to our players being worse on grass, especially with some of these known circumstances.

And some of the points won from the limited wins were quite significant.

Edit: Snap !

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 27th of July 2018 04:36:09 PM

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

("willfully facetious")

The argument is always, we are speciallists in grass, it is the leveller. No one else plays on it, our speciallists will shine, will overperform.
They don't. They never do. Pick your year. Pick a year when there were lower level grass tournaments. We still get hammered. Over thrity years, we still get hammered.
Our self-professed and trumpeted specialism counts for nowt.
Maybe you argue that overperforming was to nick a set off WR300 when that was unexpected? Great! That's not worth all the hullabaloo and 'specialism'.
Some of the points not gained in wasted weeks from the many losses for many players were quite significant.
We do best when we teach and ingrain fundamentals that work for the part of the tennis season that the GB casual public don't care about. For the two core surfaces of the tour. The other 45 weeks of the year.
Until we get away from the fanciful millstone of grass we'll continue to interrupt every year with a futile exercise for the health of GB tennis overall.

As intimated previously, I like Francesca's teams scheduling around the stuff. It's not clay that is the devil dust, it's grass that is Beelzebub's blades.

indiana · Tennis legend

The fairly obvious re much of the huge outrankings and the effect on the graph still had to be pointed out. Even the devil's advocate should not go unchallenged in case some in the jury had nodded off.

Of course there are issues re the grass season, many and varied, but nothing from the data once put into some context to say our players are comparatively worse on grass than other surfaces. Maybe they are even a bit better but I don't think many buy that it is ever going to hugely level out many of these ranking disparities. They are not naturally particularly better grass players, why would they be. A bit better partly because grass does a little levelling out, maybe, but little chance to truly analyse that by most of the lower to mid level players getting fed to the wolves. There is maybe some analysis that could be done on our top 10 players results against opponents ( of similar ranks ) on different surfaces though the data would not be huge and still caveats such as their own moving ability / rankings through the year.

As things currently are though I think many would agree that these are "wasted weeks" for our lower ranked/unranked players. What they themselves in general think we can probably only guess. But a spread of tournament levels would surely help. At least in the British grass court season give British players a chance to win more matches.

the addict · Tennis legend

The other problem is that there are so few grass tournaments that players appear from all over the world to get some matches in before Wimbledon. So our players (apart from a very few) really don't stand a chance. So grass doesn't work in our favour at all, whether the players are regarded as specialists or not.

Strongbow · All-time great

It will be interesting to see where the MD WCs go at Woking. Emilie should be one, also Summer Yardley - Ola P and Anna P would have given us 4n extra ranked players. Bet it doesn't happen wink PS I know Anna P has withdrawn.

RedSquirrel · Satellite level

Strongbow wrote:

It will be interesting to see where the MD WCs go at Woking. Emilie should be one, also Summer Yardley - Ola P and Anna P would have given us 4n extra ranked players. Bet it doesn't happen PS I know Anna P has withdrawn.

Why overlook the ranked players in qualifying? I am opposed to giving players a MD WC just to give them a point to be ranked. They need to earn that ranking so shouldn't be given anything more than a Q WC. That said I hope they give Ms Lindh-Gallagher a Q WC. I think the MD WCs pretty much write themselves: Freya, Lissey, Emma and either Emily Arb or Ella. Eden, I think, has used her quota of 3 ITF MD WCs.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Not sure if there are any BT tour wildcards to be dished out.

the addict · Tennis legend

The British Tour events have been shared out between several players this year - I don't think any of them have actually met the criteria for wildcards, apart from Nell Miller (1 Premier and Tier 1), and that would only be a QWC.

The top tour winners are Holly Hutchinson (1 Tier 1, 2 Tier 2), Maria Budin (1 Tier 2), Kira Reuter (1 Tier 1, 2 Tier 2) and Katherine Barnes (2 Tier 2)
Nell doesn't appear to have entered, Holly has made qualifying, Kira is 6 off the list, so should make it. Maria is further down the list and Katherine has withdrawn.
Sign in by 6pm today, so we will soon find out.

Peter too · Tennis legend

Table showing percentage improvement in each player's ranking since the end of last year.

Pos	Name	%	2017	Latest	Change	Best	DOB
	Gabriella Taylor	45%	332	182	150	168	Mar-98
	Harriet Dart	42%	306	178	128	167	Jul-96
	Katie Boulter	41%	200	118	82	117	Aug-96
	Katie Swan	40%	300	179	121	176	Mar-99
	Emma Raducanu	35%	1285	837	448	832	Nov-02
	Ella Taylor	29%	1185	838	347	833	Jun-95
	Francesca Jones	25%	681	509	172	509	Sep-00
	Sarah Beth Grey	23%	602	464	138	464	Aug-95
	Maia Lumsden	22%	524	411	113	406	Jan-98
	Alicia Barnett	21%	682	536	146	536	Oct-93
	Emily Appleton	16%	733	613	120	612	Sep-99
	Katy Dunne	15%	267	227	40	212	Feb-95
	Jodie Burrage	15%	537	458	79	452	May-99
	Nell Miller	5%	1285	1219	66	1213	Feb-00
	Tiffany William	4%	1038	992	46	992	Jul-94
	Alice Gillan	4%	1086	1043	43	1029	Aug-98
	Emily Webley-Smith	2%	541	532	9	240	Jul-84
	Emma Hurst	0%	1185	1189	-4	870	Jun-96
	Olivia Nicholls	-1%	1022	1036	-14	943	Oct-94
	Emily Arbuthnot	-2%	718	731	-13	551	Oct-97
	Eden Silva	-3%	501	516	-15	464	Mar-96
	Freya Christie	-4%	542	562	-20	286	Nov-97
	Mirabelle Njoze	-10%	1018	1121	-103	599	Feb-97
	Tara Moore	-14%	351	399	-48	145	Aug-92
	Samantha Murray	-22%	422	515	-93	165	Oct-87
	Naomi Broady	-27%	116	147	-31	76	Feb-90
	Suzy Larkin	-52%	746	1130	-384	627	Jun-92
	Laura Robson	-57%	229	360	-131	27	Jan-94
	Heather Watson	-78%	75	133	-58	38	May-92
	Amanda Carreras	-91%	441	842	-401	236	May-90
	Johanna Konta	-488%	9	48	-39	4	May-91

-- Edited by Peter too on Tuesday 31st of July 2018 01:01:51 AM

Michael D · All-time great

Great table to see Peter, and interesting that Gabi is still at the top of it, even though she hasn't moved much since the start of the grass season, whilst the three others in that next cohort, Harriet, Katie B and Katie S have all made significant progress since then. Katy D also lagging a little behind the other four in that group. Will be interesting to see how Gabi and Katy D get on this week in Lexington.

Down at the bottom, at least Mandy is hitting on court again, wonder when she might come back competitively? Jo, Heather, Laura also in that bottom four, how sad. Laura won't be playing for a while, but with the pressure off, would be good to see some resurgence from the other two. Naomi too, who is something of the missing player at the moment, and was obviously not quite right physically through the grass season.

AliBlahBlah · All-time great

I've taken Peter's data and tried to replicate the chart that a correspondent produced previously from the similar data.
Not quite an exact match, but it'll do. Jo comes off pretty harshly.

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