Kyle Edmund

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Kyle Edmund

christ · Futures level

Misuse of maths. Just because there are only four alternatives doesn't mean that there is a one in four chance of each of them happening. (You can die crossing the road, or you can live - that doesn't mean there is a fifty-fifty chance of dying every time you cross)

indiana · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
Misuse of maths. Just because there are only four alternatives doesn't mean that there is a one in four chance of each of them happening. (You can die crossing the road, or you can live - that doesn't mean there is a fifty-fifty chance of dying every time you cross)

If seeded 16 though there is an equal chance ( 1 in 4 ) of Kyle ending in the same eighth of the draw as each of the top 4 seeds as against zero chance of ending in the same eighth as any of seeds 5 to 8. This is compared to a 1 in 8 chance of being bracketed with any of the top 8 seeds if seeded 17 to 24.

Clearly there are different chances of the top 4 seeds actually arriving at the L16 stage but my first paragraph was the point being made.

Sheddie · administrator

Spoke to Kyle's coach Fredrik Rosengren yesterday. Couple of quotes, you might find interesting:

On beating Djokovic:
"There were 5 players this year before Kyle whod beaten Djokovic, so I told him to look at these five they show you the way. I told him that Djokovic doesnt win any more matches in the locker room, he has to fight also, he doesnt have the confidence he used to have. But what made this win so good was that Djokovic beat Nishikori in the first round, so I expected Novak, his confidence to grow a little bit. But Kyle played the right tennis, he had the right balance and he played well."

On his performances in Madrid:
"So many times it can be tougher to beat the number 110 in the world, than the number 10 in the world. Last weeks 1st round against Medvedev, the score was very easy but it was such a tough match. Kyle had break points against him, every service game in the 1st set. If he gets broken there, the score could have been the other way round. So 6-4, 6-0 for Kyle was a huge win for me, beating Medvedev in the first round. And then he had the opportunity to play Djokovic. This is actually sometimes easier than beating Medvedev in the 1st round. But then next round, beating Goffin was almost more impressive. To come back next day, refocus and it was the second time he beat a top 10 guy. I think that is a huge win, backing up the win against Djokovic, so that one maybe is even better."

wolf · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
Misuse of maths. Just because there are only four alternatives doesn't mean that there is a one in four chance of each of them happening. (You can die crossing the road, or you can live - that doesn't mean there is a fifty-fifty chance of dying every time you cross)

Indy is a trained statistician, so while you shouldn't trust me you should definately trust him.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Sheddie wrote:
Spoke to Kyle's coach Fredrik Rosengren yesterday. Couple of quotes, you might find interesting:

On beating Djokovic:
"There were 5 players this year before Kyle whod beaten Djokovic, so I told him to look at these five they show you the way. I told him that Djokovic doesnt win any more matches in the locker room, he has to fight also, he doesnt have the confidence he used to have. But what made this win so good was that Djokovic beat Nishikori in the first round, so I expected Novak, his confidence to grow a little bit. But Kyle played the right tennis, he had the right balance and he played well."

On his performances in Madrid:
"So many times it can be tougher to beat the number 110 in the world, than the number 10 in the world. Last weeks 1st round against Medvedev, the score was very easy but it was such a tough match. Kyle had break points against him, every service game in the 1st set. If he gets broken there, the score could have been the other way round. So 6-4, 6-0 for Kyle was a huge win for me, beating Medvedev in the first round. And then he had the opportunity to play Djokovic. This is actually sometimes easier than beating Medvedev in the 1st round. But then next round, beating Goffin was almost more impressive. To come back next day, refocus and it was the second time he beat a top 10 guy. I think that is a huge win, backing up the win against Djokovic, so that one maybe is even better."

Thanks Sheddie. We love a bit of insight into the mindset of players and coaches.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

So Kyle will be Seeded 16 in RG unless Djokovic wins the title in Rome. All the others have fallen by the wayside.

indiana · Tennis legend

Really sounds as if Kyle has a very good coach in Rosengren and good team generally. Thanks Sheddie.

Such impressive steps forward in big results and ( probably not wholly unrelated ) on court presence this year.

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Done and dusted as Rafa beats Novak. Kyle will be seeded 16 at RG and will hit a CH ranking of 17 next Monday.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Not bad for a middling 'challenger' player smile

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Not bad for a middling 'challenger' player

biggrin

christ · Futures level

At the risk of appearing a maths bore on a tennis site:

indiana wrote:
christ wrote:
Misuse of maths. Just because there are only four alternatives doesn't mean that there is a one in four chance of each of them happening. (You can die crossing the road, or you can live - that doesn't mean there is a fifty-fifty chance of dying every time you cross)
If seeded 16 though there is an equal chance ( 1 in 4 ) of Kyle ending in the same eighth of the draw as each of the top 4 seeds as against zero chance of ending in the same eighth as any of seeds 5 to 8. This is compared to a 1 in 8 chance of being bracketed with any of the top 8 seeds if seeded 17 to 24.

This is true, but not what I was quibbling with. I was taking issue with:

wolf wrote:
13-16 seeds are drawn against 1-4 seeds in R4 so a 1 in 4 chance of meeting Rafa in R4.

You (Indy) also agree with me, when you said:

indiana wrote:
Clearly there are different chances of the top 4 seeds actually arriving at the L16 stage ...

A one in four chance of being in the same eighth of the draw as Mr Nadal is most definitely not the same as a one in four chance of meeting him in R4. As I said, and you concur, a misuse of maths.

wolf · Tennis legend

Yeah, I take your point, but clearly I just couldn't be @rsed to write "if Nadal makes it that far", which lets face it he will.

Priesty · Challenger level

You have to admit, from no. 49 to no. 17 in just under 4 months is pretty darn impressive by anyone's standards.....

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Agreed and Potentially his best slam on his favourite surface to come. Interestingly for a Brit given the amount of exposure compared to other nationalities grass is probably incremental (a small one) his weakest surface relative to hard and clay.