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Davis Cup 2017 World Group QF - France v Great Britain - Rouen - 7-9 April


Question is, which day1 rubber do we stand the best chance of nicking a point?

Probably last year Kedders was showing enough form to suggest he might out flank Pouille but this year he hasn't shown that level yet. Wondering which Kedders we'll see on Friday..

Now Evo v Simon is interesting and having never seen Dan on clay I'm looking forward to seeing how he copes. He hasn't really given clay a go since his form flipped round this last 18months and we saw a more committed man, fitter, more robust. I'm expecting a strong showing from Evo and ever hopeful he can run him close. I'm thinking that Simon might be slow to get going after his time off recently and his form in and out.

The French are favourites and I think this heaps the pressure on to them at home. GB can play with some freedom and I think this might really help in Kedders case.


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Very few observers will give Dan  chance against Simon or any other top clay courter.  Dan's disdain for the dirt is apparent by how often he plays on it. I am fairly sure I am correct in saying that he has never won a match on clay at challenger level or above (though he does have futures titles to his name). If Leon had any other choice he would have taken it. 

An unrelated point: There is only one player shorter than Dan in the top 50 - Diego Schwartzman who is tiny at just 5'7" (Same height as Dan's coach!)



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I would put the French as favourites for each and every one of the 5 matches. It is going to be a tough ask. Kedders will have to play his socks off and the doubles players will have to come up trumps as well. Evo has been fantastic recently but he is severely allergic to the devil dirt. Here's hoping he can prove me wrong.

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Is Cam Norrie there as well as Jay? I am sure I heard his name mentioned in dispatches.

I expect Dan to play, but if it simply isn't working in practice and someone else catches the eye Leon has history of throwing in someone who we were barely aware was around - Dan himself instead of the initially picked ( and generally assumed to be going to play ) Jamie Baker in the past.

Lot of pressure* on a so far this year sporatically firing Kyle, but if he can find his best form on his probably best surface he can win his two matches and we can win the doubles, so we can win the tie. These are very good French players, but they are not clay giants and are certainly not unbeatable here. Would be a heck of a win though.

* it is the fact that I do see these as realistically winnable matches for Kyle ( a top 50 player on his generally thought of best surface, against very good but not great players, this is certainly no hit to nothing, at this stage sure he wouldn't be favourite but also not a huge outsider in either of his matches - they wouldn't be seen as exactly the worst draws ever in a big singles tournament ) that for good or bad I do see pressure on Kyle so therefore disagree a bit with Smudge. I do agree though that the French are certainly under big pressure a) to simply succeed in Davis Cup and b) in particular to beat an Andy Murray - less GB team. Gilles Simon previously called GB a one man team so to lose to no men would need a bit of explaining!



-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 4th of April 2017 11:39:52 AM

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Dom Inglot posted a pic on Instagram of the team dinner - can't find it agan right now, but worth a look

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the addict wrote:

Dom Inglot posted a pic on Instagram of the team dinner - can't find it agan right now, but worth a look


 I think this is the one:

http://endoyin.com/photo/BSZVlILlV7R

 

Mind you, am I going blind? I can't even see Evo !



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Coup Droit wrote:
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Dom Inglot posted a pic on Instagram of the team dinner - can't find it agan right now, but worth a look


 I think this is the one:

http://endoyin.com/photo/BSZVlILlV7R

 

Mind you, am I going blind? I can't even see Evo !


 Yes, that was it - buried way down my twitter feed !



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indiana wrote:

Is Cam Norrie there as well as Jay? I am sure I heard his name mentioned in dispatches.

I expect Dan to play, but if it simply isn't working in practice and someone else catches the eye Leon has history of throwing in someone who we were barely aware was around - Dan himself instead of the initially picked ( and generally assumed to be going to play ) Jamie Baker in the past.

Lot of pressure* on a so far this year sporatically firing Kyle, but if he can find his best form on his probably best surface he can win his two matches and we can win the doubles, so we can win the tie. These are very good French players, but they are not clay giants and are certainly not unbeatable here. Would be a heck of a win though.

* it is the fact that I do see these as realistically winnable matches for Kyle ( a top 50 player on his generally thought of best surface, against very good but not great players, this is certainly no hit to nothing, at this stage sure he wouldn't be favourite but also not a huge outsider in either of his matches - they wouldn't be seen as exactly the worst draws ever in a big singles tournament ) that for good or bad I do see pressure on Kyle so therefore disagree a bit with Smudge. I do agree though that the French are certainly under big pressure a) to simply succeed in Davis Cup and b) in particular to beat an Andy Murray - less GB team. Gilles Simon previously called GB a one man team so to lose to no men would need a bit of explaining!



-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 4th of April 2017 11:39:52 AM


 I guess my concern for Kyle is that although his game is stronger on clay, how natural is it for him ie will the transition be immediate and easy? His form ytd hasnt been good (he is behind Aljaz on ytd points from GB players) so can we expect an immediate improvement? The French are bought up on clay and the transition should be more natural.

I am probably a doom monger and generally big up the GB chances but on this occasion I find it hard / impossible to see us getting 3 points. But it should be an interesting weekend nonetheless! 

 



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I suppose the facts are that we haven't seen Evo play on the devil dirt since his renaissance, but I'd say he's probably 100 ranking spots disadvantaged by playing on this surface, so basically going to take a minor miracle for him to win a rubber, but he is still by far our best shot at it. I'm sure he would get alot better on it if he really committed, but as he hasn't as of yet, this tie is going to come way too soon. So for me we need Kyle to win both his singles, and the doubles, not beyond the realms but very tough.

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Indiana, yes Cam is with the squad now in France.

Really good to see Leon bringing in the youngsters and Jay so young. A great experience for him.



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JonH, just to take slight issue on one point, it is a popular misconception that French players are 'brought up on clay'.

Those in the south do (generally) play quite a lot of clay tennis growing up but very few clubs in the middle or north have clay courts (the weather is just too cold in winter and the upkeep too expensive)

It's a constant problem for the FFT - their Grand Slam is on clay and yet most of their players are intrinsically hard court players. Overall, French players have done better at Wimbledon than they have at Roland Garros !

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Hi CD, fair point and good insight. I made a big assumption re clay! You are right, of course, that the French have often done better on faster surfaces (Leconte, Forget, even Noah was strong on indoor courts, and nowadays Mahut, Benneteau, Gasquet maybe, (even Tsonga and Monfils?) etc are better on faster courts) but I guess my general point was that the French should transition more easily and I would still anticipate that to be the case.

Looking at Pouille and Simon though:

Pouille indeed seems to have had his best GS results at Wimbledon and New York; his best Masters 1000 events have typically been hardcourt although he reached Rome semis last season courtesy of a series of walkovers etc. And his 3 tournament finals have included 2 on hard, one on clay (Romania last year).

Simon seems to have a record that is largely equal on all surfaces, with Shanghai his happiest Masters 1000 venue. His last clay tournie win was 2012 (also Romania) and last clay win over a top ten player also in 2012.

Kyle has also beaten Pouille (albeit via retirement in Brisbane this year) and Simon (on grass) last time out, so maybe I wrote him off prematurely!

Let's hope I did!



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Yes, as I was trying to say, but clearly CD is more convincing ( ) we have a far from insignificant chance in 3 rubbers. And if Kyle can find his best clay form these chances significantly increase.

Andy isn't playing, it's on clay, the French have hugely greater depth in both singles and doubles and we could still win this tie. One good singles player and two good doubles players ( which is about what we are absolutely down to competively here ) is enough. I don't think we will win, but keep watching folk ...

Would be great to at least get to a potential Simon vs Edmund final rubber decider. And greater still to win it !



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 5th of April 2017 12:41:28 AM

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indiana wrote:

Yes, as I was trying to say, but clearly CD is more convincing ( ) we have a far from insignificant chance in 3 rubbers. And if Kyle can find his best clay form these chances significantly increase.

Andy isn't playing, it's on clay, the French have hugely greater depth in both singles and doubles and we could still win this tie. One good singles player and two good doubles players ( which is about what we are absolutely down to competively here ) is enough. I don't think we will win, but keep watching folk ...

Would be great to at least get to a potential Simon vs Edmund final rubber decider. And greater still to win it !



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 5th of April 2017 12:41:28 AM


 Took me a while to get it! Sometimes two voices is better than one biggrin

As an aside, if GB were to pull it off (and not tempting fate) we would play Serbia at home or Spain away in the semis. Given Spain would no doubt choose clay, Serbia in actual fact would seem like a preferred option, Djoker or no Djoker, so I think I will be rooting for them this weekend - plus a home semi in a big venue with Andy and Djoker playing would be something to look forward to. We can but hope.    



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I was looking back on our 4 years in the World Group from 2004.

For all our success in this period only James Ward ( twice, possibly vitally vs Querrey and Isner in successive years' USA ties ) has won a singles match against a then higher ranked player ( OK, Andy hasn't had a chance ).

If ever ...



-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 5th of April 2017 09:05:01 AM

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