British Tour 2017

the addict · Tennis legend

British Tour 2017

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

In the semis:

Jodie Anna Burrage [2/888] def. Serena Nash 6-0 4-6 6-0

Olivia Nicholls [4/1184] def. Beth Grey [1/747] 1-6 6-3 6-4

That could be a big win for Olivia, because if the winner doesn't need a quali play-off wildcard (which surely Jodie wouldn't as she would be likely to get a place on ranking - or be given one from the AELTC) then that gives it to Olivia, even if she loses.

the addict · Tennis legend

Yes, a very good win indeed, with the WC and a decent cheque awaiting. If everyone is available and the various WC get handed out as speculated elsewhere, I have Beth as the last direct entry to the playoffs, with Jodie three places away (based on last weeks rankings), so Jodie might just get in anyway, or get one of the 4 QPWC (! acronyms getting longer).

I thought Serena would put up a bigger fight than that though. Strange scoreline.

indiana · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
In the semis:

Jodie Anna Burrage [2/888] def. Serena Nash 6-0 4-6 6-0

Olivia Nicholls [4/1184] def. Beth Grey [1/747] 1-6 6-3 6-4

That could be a big win for Olivia, because if the winner doesn't need a quali play-off wildcard (which surely Jodie wouldn't as she would be likely to get a place on ranking - or be given one from the AELTC) then that gives it to Olivia, even if she loses.

I was agreeing and thinking good for Olivia. But thinking further ( can be dangerous ), if Jodie wins here and ultimately does need a Q play-offs WC might the AELTC say that was the one for this week's winner ( even though I agree she would surely get one anyway if needed ).

It looks like it could be tight for Jodie getting into the play-offs on ranking. Is it 12 by ranking and 4 WCs or 10 by ranking and 6 WCs? I think it's one or the other. If it's just 10 directly I think she'll probably miss out on ranking as things stand even allowing for 2 or 3 non-shows.

I hope Olivia does get in. She has a nice game and I'm surprised that she hasn't done more in singles. Though I have more really just seen her look the dominant player in doubles.

the addict · Tennis legend

It is 10 by ranking and 6 by WC, of which one is for this week's winner, and the other to the top of the leaderboard after this week, which is Mollie

steven · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
In the semis:

Jodie Anna Burrage [2/888] def. Serena Nash 6-0 4-6 6-0

Olivia Nicholls [4/1184] def. Beth Grey [1/747] 1-6 6-3 6-4

That could be a big win for Olivia, because if the winner doesn't need a quali play-off wildcard (which surely Jodie wouldn't as she would be likely to get a place on ranking - or be given one from the AELTC) then that gives it to Olivia, even if she loses.

I was agreeing and thinking good for Olivia. But thinking further ( can be dangerous ), if Jodie wins here and ultimately does need a Q play-offs WC might the AELTC say that was the one for this week's winner ( even though I agree she would surely get one anyway if needed ).
It looks like it could be tight for Jodie getting into the play-offs on ranking. Is it 12 by ranking and 4 WCs or 10 by ranking and 6 WCs? I think it's one or the other. If it's just 10 directly I think she'll probably miss out on ranking as things stand even allowing for 2 or 3 non-shows.
I hope Olivia does get in. She has a nice game and I'm surprised that she hasn't done more in singles. Though I have more really just seen her look the dominant player in doubles.

10 by ranking and 6 wild cards - see https://www.lta.org.uk/globalassets/play/professional-development/documents/lta-wild-card-play-offs-fact-sheet.pdf - so Olivia would need to win the final tomorrow to be sure of one (I imagine Jodie would get one anyway even if she lost tomorrow)

indiana · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
It is 10 by ranking and 6 by WC, of which one is for this week's winner, and the other to the top of the leaderboard after this week, which is Mollie

Thanks.

Jodie is currently GB #24. Direct Wimbledon entrant Jo plus 8 initial ( WC + Q ) WCs plus 10 direct play-off entrants only takes us down to #19. Would currently need quite a few above Jodie not to take up places eg. Mandy, Lisa plus ?

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

steven wrote:
indiana wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
In the semis:

Jodie Anna Burrage [2/888] def. Serena Nash 6-0 4-6 6-0

Olivia Nicholls [4/1184] def. Beth Grey [1/747] 1-6 6-3 6-4

That could be a big win for Olivia, because if the winner doesn't need a quali play-off wildcard (which surely Jodie wouldn't as she would be likely to get a place on ranking - or be given one from the AELTC) then that gives it to Olivia, even if she loses.

I was agreeing and thinking good for Olivia. But thinking further ( can be dangerous ), if Jodie wins here and ultimately does need a Q play-offs WC might the AELTC say that was the one for this week's winner ( even though I agree she would surely get one anyway if needed ).
It looks like it could be tight for Jodie getting into the play-offs on ranking. Is it 12 by ranking and 4 WCs or 10 by ranking and 6 WCs? I think it's one or the other. If it's just 10 directly I think she'll probably miss out on ranking as things stand even allowing for 2 or 3 non-shows.
I hope Olivia does get in. She has a nice game and I'm surprised that she hasn't done more in singles. Though I have more really just seen her look the dominant player in doubles.
10 by ranking and 6 wild cards - see https://www.lta.org.uk/globalassets/play/professional-development/documents/lta-wild-card-play-offs-fact-sheet.pdf - so Olivia would need to win the final tomorrow to be sure of one (I imagine Jodie would get one anyway even if she lost tomorrow)

But the rules say that if the winner doesn't need the wildcard, then the runner-up automatically gets it. So, obviously a win guarantees one, but if Jodie is 99% sure of entry (either direct or wildcard) then even by losing Olivia is 99% sure of a place. No?

(Unless Indy's 'sneaky' thinking comes into play.....)

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Thursday 1st of June 2017 06:42:56 PM

the addict · Tennis legend

From the LTA website

1. North Oxford (Premier Tier) May 28 June 2, the winner of the Mens & Womens events will receive a wild card into the LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play Offs. If the winner does not require a wild card, this will be offered to the runner-up. If the runner-up does not require a wild card then the wild card will be released.

2. A wild card slot will also be allocated to the player at the top of the Aegon British Tour leaderboard after North Oxford (May 28 June 2). If not required by the player at the top this will be offered to the second placed player, and then down to the third placed player only. If the wild card is then not taken up it will be released.

Edit - I forgot the link, but Steven beat me

-- Edited by the addict on Thursday 1st of June 2017 06:48:09 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

If Jodie wins the final I honestly do think that they will say that that's Jodie claimed the WC from this week and only reallocate this week's one to Olivia if Jodie gets into the play-offs on ranking. And whether Jodie would have got one anyway will be incidental, it will not be a decision anyone then needs to make.

Which could leave a problem for Olivia since the remaining WCs invarably go to youngsters.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Fair point. As said, sneaky thinking. But quite likely....

However, I would have thought Jodie will almost certainly get one on ranking though.

Looking at Steven's table, if we accept that all the players down to Katie Swan, will get wildcards into qualis (or the main draw), apart from Mandy, who still seems to be injured......THEN, given it seems very unlikely that Lisa Whybourn will play, or Mirabelle, that would leave Jodie as tenth on ranking (and that's even assuming that Suzy turns up, which is not obvious).

And that's also on the basis that they don't give Jodie a quali wildcard directly. Which would have been a slamdunk normally, apart from the fact we have so many others so close but still needing one.

If Jodie and Emily App DO get in on ranking, that leaves 6 wildcards for 'youngsters' - but who ? Fran and Ali seem obvious. But the others will be interesting.....

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Thursday 1st of June 2017 10:51:29 PM

the addict · Tennis legend

I was thinking that Emily Arb would be a candidate, but she still has a high enough ranking (and assuming she is back over here and available).
The other stand-out college player is Holly H, but she has retired from the last two tournaments so may not be fully fit or considered.
Ola maybe ?

the addict · Tennis legend

Final result from North Oxford

Jodie Anna Burrage [2/888] def Olivia Nicholls [4/1184] 6-3 2-6 6-3

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

At Worthing, the Semi-Final line-up is:

(1) Alicia Barnett v (3) Nell Miller

(q) Jojo Bach v (7) Sofie Woon

Interesting that Jojo is playing here. I believed that she'd switched nationality to France - some recent matches had France listed. And yet her ITF sheet still says GB. Her whole family are obviously in tennis and she's still at the Academy there so presumably there's a strategic choice to be made. But would like to know for sure....

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Congrats to Alicia Barnett:

SF:

(1) Alicia Barnett def. (3) Nell Miller 7-5 6-2

(7) Sofie Woon def. (q) Jojo Bach 4-6 6-4 1-0(10)

Final:

(1) Alicia Barnett def. (7) Sofie Woon 6-2 6-3