Girls: Roland Garros Junior French Championships, France, Clay, Week 22

wimdledont · Challenger level

Girls: Roland Garros Junior French Championships, France, Clay, Week 22

Mervatron · Masters Series Champion

Why would she play it again? She's already making but moves on the main tour.

paulisi · Tennis legend

I'm suprised Bellis is playing, given she is making big in roads on the main tour.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Surely Bellis would be a strong candidate for a wildcard for the main event given her performance at the U.S. open but it's unlikely she would go deep so why not play the juniors as well.

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Wednesday 6th of May 2015 06:55:21 PM

tharris · Intermediate Club Player

The U.S. has a series of clay court challenger tournaments in the lead up to Roland Garros, which the USTA uses to determine their main draw wildcard. Bellis hasn't played any of them (as far as I know), so will not be considered for a wildcard.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

Bit short sighted really, do they have a similar set up for the U.S. Open ie did she play in a similar hard court series? Or just come through qualifying ( I suppose I can look that up)

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Wednesday 6th of May 2015 07:21:31 PM

wimdledont · Challenger level

I think Bellis is still restricted to how many WTAs she can play in one year? The US wildcard is decided by competition - whoever gets the most points from 3 US claycourt ITF50?ks, which are on at the moment, and which she ain't in. Its still probably better practice for her eventual seniors career to work on beating up players who aren't as good as her, rather than working on soaking up punishment from the likes of Serena. And titles are titles, and can't be taken away - Bellis as yet hasn't won, or even done particularly well in, any Junior Slam.

There's also several girls lower down the list who aren't going to be seeded, but finished 2014 in the Junior top 10 - a Swiss and 2 Spaniards, and who possibly have better chances than Katie.

TheTraveller2 · Lower Club Player

wimdledont wrote:
I think Bellis is still restricted to how many WTAs she can play in one year? The US wildcard is decided by competition - whoever gets the most points from 3 US claycourt ITF50?ks, which are on at the moment, and which she ain't in. Its still probably better practice for her eventual seniors career to work on beating up players who aren't as good as her, rather than working on soaking up punishment from the likes of Serena. And titles are titles, and can't be taken away - Bellis as yet hasn't won, or even done particularly well in, any Junior Slam.

There's also several girls lower down the list who aren't going to be seeded, but finished 2014 in the Junior top 10 - a Swiss and 2 Spaniards, and who possibly have better chances than Katie.

IMO the biggest threat outside of the provisional seeds is Kat Stewart. Will she be seeded based on WTA ranking? Same question for Bellis. Will she be moved up the seedlings?

wimdledont · Challenger level

Also, there's Maia. Most of her best results have come on clay (5/6 singles: 4/6 doubles); wouldn't be too amazed if she progresses further than the cygnet here.

www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx

EDIT POSTSCRIPT: I believe the seedings are based entirely on Junior rankings, in answer to a couple of questions above.

-- Edited by wimdledont on Thursday 7th of May 2015 12:16:33 AM

Spectator · All-time great

No, there's a rather complex system, isn't there? I can't remember it in full, but thought that it took high WTA rankings into account. Something along the lines of if you're over WTA 300 ... DavidC will know, though!

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, certainly for the junior slams ( don't know about other tournaments ) there is ( or certainly has been before ) some complex system for allowing for highish WTA rankings in seedings.

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

Spectator wrote:
No, there's a rather complex system, isn't there? I can't remember it in full, but thought that it took high WTA rankings into account. Something along the lines of if you're over WTA 300 ... DavidC will know, though!

It's the same system for all junior ITF events, but those with decent WTA/ATP rankings rarely play outside of the Grand Slams

Rankings of ATP750 or WTA400 are always accepted into main draw

Rankings of ATP751-850 or WTA 401-500 are always accepted into qualifying

Seedings

JWR 1 = <ATP200 / WTA150

JWR2 = ATP251-350 / WTA151-175

JWR3-4 = ATP351-450 / WTA176-200

JWR5-6 = ATP451-500 / WTA 201-225

After this boys and girls are treated differently

Boys

JWR7-12 = ATP501-550

JWR13-18 = ATP551-600

JWR19-24 = ATP601-650

JWR25-30 = ATP651-700

JWR31-35 = ATP701-750

Girls

JWR7-8 = WTA226-250

JWR9-11 = WTA 251-275

JWR12-14 = WTA276-300

JWR15-19 = WTA301-325

JWR20-24 = WTA326-350

JWR25-29 = WTA351-375

JWR30-35 = WTA376-400

Where there are two or more entrants in a draw with JWR / ATP / WTA equivalence, the player entered using JWR will take precedence for seeding.

wimdledont · Challenger level

Thanks for that, the Optimist. I didn't know.

As far as I can see, Katie will be leapfrogged only by Kat Stewart, so down to Seed 8; Bellis will leapfrog Galfi, to be Seed 2.

Oakland2002 · All-time great

What chance do you think Jay or Alexsis have of making qualifying as alternates in the late twenties?

apologises for asking: I note the thread is entitled "girls RG" but sadly there seems little point in starting one entitled "boys" as the 1998 cohort have only just scraped the surface of the top 100.

-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Friday 8th of May 2015 03:49:16 AM

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

I would say pretty high. Withdrawal deadline is 19 May and 80% of the withdrawals will come on that day although there will be a steady trickle beforehand. Those players just making Qs and for whom RG is a difficult journey will probably decide there are more cost effective returns to be had at lower grade tournaments nearer home. The G2 in Hungary May also be popular as the usual big guns will be at RG.