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Madeline


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I thought the problem was physical rather than mental. OK, I worry whenever "muttering Murray" turns up, but it wasn't really all that bad. He did win the second set. But in the third you could see that his legs had gone; possibly because he felt he couldn't continue with the punishing fitness training that Jez Green supplied, after surgery.

RJA, you seem to think that Andy is ENTITLED to beat Djokovic. Hell, nobody else can beat him the vast majority of the time. His win record this year is 25-2 - and the 2 losses were in smaller tournaments, which these days he only uses for a bit of match practice before the ones that matter. I feel Andy is getting closer - if only he had managed to edge that first set tiebreak, he would have done it.

Anyway, nice though it would be to see him on the top of the pile I'm not annoyed or even disappointed by him. He has already done so much more than I ever hoped he would, when I first started following him as a weakly, gangly teenager.






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You were a weakly, gangly teenager when you started following Andy ?? :)

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Why don't we have a "nose-thumbing" emoticon on here?

If I had been a teenager when Andy started I too would have been 27 now.  I wish.

 



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Yes, Andy's misfortune has been to be a contemporary of the 3 GOATs. Oh for the days when the likes of Hewitt, Roddick, Costa, Johansson and Gaudio won Slams! And when, I kid you not, Juan Carlos Ferrero was the "King of Clay"!

I don't think we'll see much of Andy until Queens, which starts on 15 June. Until then, prepare for some tactical injuries and disappointing losses, folks.

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I'm not so sure about the clay season, may be better than many folk expect, then again ..

Last year, with generally less form at this time, Andy went on to reach the French Open semi finals. Admittedly that was a real shock outrider, but if he is fit and feeling reasonably comfortable on the surface he might do fairly well, certainly for him.

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I'm optimistic about his clay court season.

He'll have had time off, and a new coach with new ideas. He got the the French semis last year when not nearly himself, and Rafa's having abit of a wobbly..

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I'm not too downbeat over that third set. Reality is Djokovic is a step above the rest at the moment. Murray's definitely performing better and sustaining it for longer at the moment. When he does fade, it does seem to be significantly. But after last season, I'm just happy to see him in the top 4 and reaching finals again.

Maybe he'll continue to improve and get his belief back and finally start to beat the likes of Novak and Federer again. Maybe he never will. Who knows. No point losing sleep over it.

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RJA wrote:
indiana wrote:

Yes, however disappointing the Novak matches, and sone attitude / behavior regression, Andy is clearly moving back in the right direction with his general game.

 To some degree I don't care about the attitude / behaviour regression. What bothers me is that I just don't see how Andy is ever going to beat Novak again. Novak was well below par today and Andy was the better player for almost all of the first two sets yet I never for a single moment thought that the result was in doubt. The proudest I ever was of Andy wasn't his Olympic Gold medal, it wasn't his US Open win and it wasn't his Wimbledon win. It was his SF defeat against Novak at the 2012 Australian Open, a match where he gave absolutely everything and eventually lost 7-5 in the fifth after over 4 hours of play. I don't mind admitting that I cried after that defeat, a mixture of sorrow and pride. When he loses to Novak now all I feel is disgust and contempt. I don't know why he even bothers showing up as the result is a foregone conclusion, he knows, Novak knows and so does everyone else.

I feel your pain RJA, I really do.  But I have to say, not quite in the same way. It is massively frustrating, but perhaps we need to just give Djokovic some credit here. Andy is not the only one looking for answers. Nole is just a "monster" at the moment, not only with his playing ability, but also with his mental fortitude.



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Well I don't think I expressed myself as I would have liked to last night although in my defence I made the post while "tired and emotional".

To clarify what I was trying to say I certainly don't feel "Disgust and contempt" towards Andy in general but I find his repeated capitulations against Djokovic to be completely unacceptable for someone who aspires to be at the very top of the game. This isn't about whether he wins or loses and I can accept that he will occasionally play very poorly. What I can't accept is what has happened at the Australian Open and again here. On both occasions he has played well and put himself in a strong position before suffering a quite dismal collapse. What upsets me most about this was that the third set was so bloody predictable, even Stevie Wonder could see it coming. I don't think he is entitled to beat Djokovic but I do think he is capable of it and there is no way he should be on a 7 match losing streak against him.

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If you look at Djokovics other matches he regularly recovers from losing a set to win 6-0 or 6-1 so it's not just Andy. Fitness as mental stability seem to be something Novak has over most opponents and is probably his strongest attribute.

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Ratty wrote:

I don't think we'll see much of Andy until Queens, which starts on 15 June. Until then, prepare for some tactical injuries and disappointing losses, folks.

Now that Andy has won all 14 of his clay court matches since, this must truly be the worst prediction of all time.

And so - in the hope of repeating the trick - it only remains for me to predict that Novak will win easily today smile



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Make that 15, Ratty. And I hope it works!

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