Will Andy qualify for the WTF 2014?

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

RE: Will Andy qualify for the WTF 2014?

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

And continued back on track! Wins another Murraycoaster.

RJA · Hall of fame

I see that Stuart Fraser is once again demonstrating a lack of knowledge of the rankings by tweeting the following

7. Berdych 3555 (Beijing 2R)
8. Ferrer 3535
9. Raonic 3485 (Tokyo 2R)
10. Murray 3440 (Beijing 2R)
11. Dimitrov 3380 (Beijing 2R)

He has got the current "live" points incorrect for Berdych (3510), Murray (3430) and Dimitrov (3360).

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Madeline wrote:
And continued back on track! Wins another Murraycoaster.

Definitely not good for my nerves that match! Must recover before Thursday!

indiana · Tennis legend

Agree with your corrections, RJA.

Looks as if Stu Fraser has generally just added the R1 45 points ( although even that doesn't quite work for Andy ) rather than taking account of existing "6th best others". Tut tut.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

RJA wrote:
I see that Stuart Fraser is once again demonstrating a lack of knowledge of the rankings by tweeting the following

7. Berdych 3555 (Beijing 2R)
8. Ferrer 3535
9. Raonic 3485 (Tokyo 2R)
10. Murray 3440 (Beijing 2R)
11. Dimitrov 3380 (Beijing 2R)

He has got the current "live" points incorrect for Berdych (3510), Murray (3430) and Dimitrov (3360).

I have said this before: that site is frequently wrong. I know MTF does not have a very good reputation as far as "General Messages" goes, but Slasher on there runs rankings lists that are very rarely wrong (usually only when the ATP decides not to give penalties because a player has fulfilled other obligations, not easily verified). The Race ranking list is at https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=29EC224593D363F0%2113631&id=documents&activeCell=%27ATP%20Race%27!G6 There is a live entry list too, I'll supply the URL if anybody wants it.

indiana · Tennis legend

Andy now up to 9th in the ATP race :

6 Nishikori 3935 ( 3845 + 180 - 90 ) - IN TOKYO SF
7 Berdych 3645 ( 3510 + 180 - 45 ) - IN BEIJING SF
8 Raonic 3620 ( 3440 + 180 - 0 ) - IN TOKYO SF
9 Murray 3565 ( 3405 + 180 - 20 ) - IN BEIJING SF
10 Ferrer 3535 ( 3535 + 0 ) - OUT TOKYO L32
11 Dimitrov 3405 ( 3335 + 90 - 20 ) - OUT BEIJING QF

RJA · Hall of fame

Andy's position starting to look a bit better, however as things stand he is only playing Shanghai and Paris after this week where as his rivals have the following schedules

Berdych - Shanghai, Stockholm (250) and Paris
Raonic - Shanghai, Moscow (250), Basel (500) and Paris
Ferrer - Shanghai, Valencia (500) and Paris
Dimitrov - Shanghai, Stockholm (250), Basel (500) and Paris

indiana · Tennis legend

I guess the question is, dependant on how the rest of this week and next week goes, how he generally feels physically and how much he really wants to play in the WTF, will there be a WC request coming for one of the ATP 500s ( or even an ATP 250 ) ? His 6th other counter is going to be just 20, so he has rather a lot to potentially gain pointswise.

Next week in Shanghai, Andy will be a no 9 to 12 seed, so willl be scheduled to meet a 5 to 8 seed in the L16 with these seeds including some of his immediate race rivals.

-- Edited by indiana on Friday 10th of October 2014 03:48:48 PM

RJA · Hall of fame

After playing 3 straight weeks in China I can't see any circumstances where he plays the week after Shanghai but Basel or Valencia must be possibilities. If he really needs points the latter looks the more sensible option as he would be 4th seed behind Ferrer, Cilic and Nishikori. In Basel he would be 6th seed behind Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka, Raonic and Dimitrov.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Damn, damn, damn. With Andy losing today and Raonic and Nishikori both getting into the Tokyo final, things are looking difficult again. I haven't much hope that Klizan will pull off another big win and beat Berdych. And have you seen Andy's Shanghai draw? In Djokovic's quarter! And with Janowicz and Ferrer other likely opponents in the same quarter.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Unless a miracle happens, I'm fast losing hope

Berdy's won so now Andy s at least 170 behind, could be even more by tomorrow

RJA · Hall of fame

Really need wins for Kei and Nole tomorrow

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Agree, but my money's on Raonic.

RJA · Hall of fame

It was close but Kei came through in 3 tight sets so Andy ends the week 175 points off 8th place. Still in the hunt but unless he has a very good week in Shanghai he will probably have to take a wild card into Basel or Valencia if he wants to give himself a real chance of making the WTF.