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paulisi wrote:

Who said there was no depth in the boy's game - 6 in the top 100 and potentially more to come - future may be rosy soon if they don't all go off to US college.


 

There is some encouragement, more particularly the younger guys ( such as Jack Draper and his fellow 2001, Anton Matusevich ). The older boys really need to be making more steps into seniors. As I just noted in passing in the relevant thread while complimenting Jack Draper ( edit : or rather indeed Jake Hersey ) on a very good futures effort in Spain, we have only two junior boys with any sort of senior ranking and none of the above.

 



-- Edited by indiana on Tuesday 24th of January 2017 11:05:27 PM

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I think you might be getting you Jacks and Jakes mixed up, Indy (it was Jake down in Spain at the futures).

But I agree - I don't see too much to get excited about in junior boys - the lack of senior rankings is a real downer - the French top 100 players have nearly all got senior rankings - although even junior rankings are obviously all to the good - it's not to knock them, just to accept their limitations.

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Top 100 boys and main upward movers:

30/01/2017

Finn Bass ('99) +2 to JWR 52
Max Stewart ('99) -3 at JWR 76
Aidan McHugh ('00) -3 at JWR 80
Jack Draper (22 Dec. 01) -4 to JWR 82
Jack Molloy ('99) -2 at JWR 84
Barnaby Smith ('99) +1 at JWR 99

Hamish Stewart ('99) +29 to JWR 185
George Loffhagen ('01) +150 to JWR 339
Julian Lewis ('00) +56 to JWR 601


Top 100 girls and main upward movers:

30/01/2017

Emily Appleton ('99) +1 at JWR 11 (WTA 748)
Jodie Burrage ('99) = to JWR 14
Francesca Jones ('00) +27 to JWR 50 (WTA 1141)

Destinee Martins ('01) +387 to JWR 566
Scarlett Hutchinson ('01) +258 to JWR 1048
Aleksandra Topalovic ('00) +109 to JWR 1317



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Monday 30th of January 2017 01:42:58 PM

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Very nice rise there for Fran :D
Pity Jodie had to meet the eventual winner so soon at the Junior AO
Good to see Emily posting a new CH :)

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There was some comment about the wisdom of playing on in juniors in the year you turn 18 i.e. The last year of eligibility and we have two top 20 juniors who by the end of year will turn 18.

Looking back from 2013 to 2004 there are usually one or two girls who appear in the end of year rankings as 18 year olds, the majority finish with juniors at 16 or 17. There are one or two where they were top 5 players at 17 and 18, Euginie Bouchard for example where I presume they were just after trophies??

There is the group were players just squeeze in at 18 and have no or a very numerically high senior rank who generally struggle to transition.

Another group who appear in junior top 20 for the first time as 18 year olds but with good senior ITF ranks who do pretty/very well, here transition seems to have been a priority and the rankings a product of process, i.e. Juniors was not a priority at 16 and 17

The group that Jodie and Emily potentially fall into is the group that squeeze into the top 20 at 17 play on and improve their junior rank as an 18 year old, including Caroline Garcia, Elize Mertens, Julia Cohen (peaked at 17 yo rank on way down at 18 year end), Aleksandar Wozniak. This group generally transition to break the top 100 as seniors. This correlation is obviously strongest when their senior rank is also decent, top 400.

Obviously the end of year rank is only a snap shot but does include points scored in all slams in that calendar year and there is the potential to gain more detail by looking at age of CH, but from this snap shot historically staying on to play juniors at 18 doesn't appear in any way detrimental for players in Emily's and Jodie's position, taking into account lost time due to injury in Jodie's case their position is pretty similar.

Good luck to both!


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Interesting. I do sometimes wonder about "groups" as such and more think it is a collection of 100s of individual stories. But yes it is still certainly interesting ( and can be instructive ) to look at those who have followed similar paths and these paths that have most usually led to later success or not so much.

I do think there is certainly now a very string case for Emily and Jodie concentrating mainly on seniors this year with restrcting juniors to at most Slams and maybe the odd warm up event.

Although Garcia, Mertens, Cohen and Wozniak ( not a big number as it is and in cases dating back a bit ) did play juniors in the year they turned 18 and ended that year ranked in the junior top 10, only Mertens played much more juniors than the Slams with a fairly even split of about 10 junior and 10 senior events. The others very much played predominately seniors tournaments and it is a point that Elise was born in November so all things being equal would transition a bit later in time as against others born in 1995.

So overall, again while there can be real dangers in considering one size fits all, I think players who have really progressed as seniors have overwhelming been concentrating on seniors in the year they turn 18 ( and many well before that ) with juniors at most limited to the big junior events. If you transition markedly later than that norm for top players you are playing a bit of catch-up.

As I said most of the names mentioned above as still playing juniors not only mainly played seniors but in cases were senior top 200 ranked at the end of that last junior year : Garcia WR 146, Wozniak 190 and indeed Bouchard ( also only big junior events concentrated in that final junior year ) WR 144. Mertens ( who was much more steadily transitioning ) was WR 577 and Cohen WR 469.

So, maybe play some of the biggest junior events, in particular the Slams, if you fancy them girls, but now be playing plenty senior events.



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Again, only because it's the system I know (and it's not particularly amazing, so maybe it's not a good system to follow, but just for interest), France has no girls born 1999 in their top echelons of junior tennis. Hardly any 2000-ers either. They're practically all 2001s and 2002s.
The top girls just don't play juniors at that age. They might turn out for RG, but often not even.

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Top 100 boys and main upward movers:

06/02/2017

Finn Bass ('99) +1 to JWR 51
Max Stewart ('99) +1 at JWR 75
Aidan McHugh ('00) +2 at JWR 78
Jack Draper (22 Dec. 01) -1 to JWR 83
Jack Molloy ('99) -3 at JWR 87

George Loffhagen ('01) +85 to JWR 254
Julian Lewis ('00) +48 to JWR 553
Matt Beecher ('00) +24 to JWR 867

Euan Lynes ('00) - NEW IN at JWR 1772


Top 100 girls and main upward movers:

06/02/2017

Emily Appleton ('99) = at JWR 11 (WTA 749)
Jodie Burrage ('99) = to JWR 14
Francesca Jones ('00) +10 to JWR 40 (WTA 1141)

Nell Miller ('00) +41 to JWR 215
Destinee Martins ('01) +50 to JWR 516
Holly Staff ('02) +114 to JWR 862
Indy Spink ('02) +27 to JWR 941
Aleksandra Topalovic ('00) +360 to JWR 957

Elisa van Meeteren ('01) - NEW IN at JWR 1854
Kiana Mokhtari ('02) - NEW IN at JWR 2199



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Looks like Emily is continuing heavily on the junior circuit.  #1 seed in Brazil this week.  Was runner up here last year.  Trying to protect ranking?  Have to wonder if she wouldn't be better off playing with Jodie in the $15k in Edgbaston.



-- Edited by TheTraveller2 on Monday 6th of February 2017 01:55:38 PM



-- Edited by TheTraveller2 on Monday 6th of February 2017 02:04:49 PM

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Go Fran Jones! That's super. Also well done to the other big movers. Some very nice gains there. I've just looked, and Aidan McHugh is a July '00, so still 16. Ranking not as spectacular as Jack Draper's at 15, but it's still very good. And it's particularly impressive as looking at his schedule confirms what I'd thought, namely that he's playing in 'chunks' while continuing his education. Summer ... then some in October ... then some in January.
George Loffhagen is an April 2001, so still 15 - impressive strides from him, too, for his age.

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TheTraveller2 wrote:

Looks like Emily is continuing heavily on the junior circuit.  #1 seed in Brazil this week.  Was runner up here last year.  Trying to protect ranking?  Have to wonder if she wouldn't be better off playing with Jodie in the $15k in Edgbaston.



-- Edited by TheTraveller2 on Monday 6th of February 2017 01:55:38 PM



-- Edited by TheTraveller2 on Monday 6th of February 2017 02:04:49 PM


Emily is using the G1 as  warm up for the Grade A the following week. It looks like she is trying to protect points and no reason not to as she could quite easily break into the top 5 and pick up some junior exemptions next season.



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When does Emily go to college ?

While in principle I am certainly for girls in the last year of juniors very much principally concentrating on seniors if not already doing so before, I guess priorities may be a bit different if not moving for now towards full time on the senior tour.

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indiana wrote:

When does Emily go to college ?

While in principle I am certainly for girls in the last year of juniors very much principally concentrating on seniors if not already doing so before, I guess priorities may be a bit different if not moving for now towards full time on the senior tour.


I hadn't realized that she is going to college.  Continuing with primarily juniors makes more sense. 



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Emily is scheduled to start at Vanderbilt Autumn 2017



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Top 100 boys and main upward movers:

13/02/2017

Finn Bass ('99) -3 to JWR 54
Max Stewart ('99) -4 at JWR 79
Aidan McHugh ('00) -3 at JWR 81
Jack Draper (22 Dec. 01) -4 to JWR 87
Jack Molloy ('99) -4 at JWR 91

Emile Hudd ('00) +5 to JWR 203
George Loffhagen ('01) +17 to JWR 237
Harry Wendelken ('01) +117 to JWR 337
Matt Beecher ('00) +23 to JWR 844



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