Doping Again !

emmsie69 · Top national player

RE: Doping Again !

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Allez, David !

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Re appealing and appealing how many appeals did Yastremska have in 2021? I think it was 3.

Nix · Futures level

Coup Droit wrote:
You can't just go on appealing and appealing, Jon - the arbitral system stops there - it has to stop somewhere - everyone agrees to that when they agree to be governed by the arbitral system

As emmsie says, and as was mentioned in this forum before, if there is procedural unfairness / breach of human rights etc, then there is recourse to the court system, but that's extremely rare

Yes it does have to stop somewhere but the question is not whether they have ruled correctly (presumably the CAS would have to follow due legal process) but whether the rules are sufficiently tightly drawn so that appeals on grounds such as these are not successful. So for example a defendant's expert witness who stated a particular finding could not carry more weight than independent scientific findings.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
You can't just go on appealing and appealing, Jon - the arbitral system stops there - it has to stop somewhere - everyone agrees to that when they agree to be governed by the arbitral system

As emmsie says, and as was mentioned in this forum before, if there is procedural unfairness / breach of human rights etc, then there is recourse to the court system, but that's extremely rare
Fair enough and don't disagree. I haven't followed the process closely enough to know where it stands in terms of steps taken - it seemed the relevant tennis bodies (ITIA?) had appealed Tara's judgement being turned over so I wasnt sure if Halep's process was at the stage or more advanced in terms of rights of appeal being exhausted.
And sorry, I hadn't read back up the forum, or taken those previous comments referred to in, apologies.
It was CAS that allowed Halep's appeal so in effect the Supreme Court. That sadly is where the buck stops so she has gotten away with it unless David Walsh decides to do a Lance on her in which case her reputation will be torn apart even if she can still compete.

That would be great - I would love for him to target one or two other players as well, starting at the top of the mens game (Novak) but let's not go there.

Seriously, David Walsh is now 68 years old, whereas he would have been a lot younger when he exposed Armstrong, and I would be surprised if he has the energy or motivation for something like that. You never know, though.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/doping-poistogova-guliyev-set-to-lose-london-olympics-silver-after-russia-ban/ar-BB1lf5Db

Not tennis but I was stunned to see that, re the London Olympics:

"Five of the 13 runners in the 1,500m final were also subsequently banned for doping offences".

Nearly half ????

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

London became the biggest doping games ever, I recall reading. Although no doubt Rio and Tokyo will catch up when the testing agencies catch up with the dopers!

emmsie69 · Top national player

Coup Droit wrote:
www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/doping-poistogova-guliyev-set-to-lose-london-olympics-silver-after-russia-ban/ar-BB1lf5Db

Not tennis but I was stunned to see that, re the London Olympics:

"Five of the 13 runners in the 1,500m final were also subsequently banned for doping offences".

Nearly half ????

That's 5 women who had an appearance in an Olympic Final stolen from them. The medals will be reallocated but the race can't be rerun.

Nix · Futures level

emmsie69 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/doping-poistogova-guliyev-set-to-lose-london-olympics-silver-after-russia-ban/ar-BB1lf5Db

Not tennis but I was stunned to see that, re the London Olympics:

"Five of the 13 runners in the 1,500m final were also subsequently banned for doping offences".

Nearly half ????
That's 5 women who had an appearance in an Olympic Final stolen from them. The medals will be reallocated but the race can't be rerun.

Also how much prize and appearance money did they miss out on by not being Olympic medal winners/finalists?

wimbledont · Lower Club Player

OTOH

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cjk4vjgnv2eo

Strongbow · All-time great

wimbledont wrote:
OTOH

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cjk4vjgnv2eo

Lambda · Challenger level

The WTA had introduced a Special Ranking for players that have been out of competition on a provisional suspension for a TADP violation but receive a No Fault or Negligence with no period of ineligibility decision, i.e. Tara's position.

The Special Ranking can be applied for after 14 weeks provisionally suspended and the number of tournaments, grand slams and 1000 mandatories it can be used at increases at 26 weeks, 39 weeks and 52 weeks out.

Whether Tara can take advantage of this is unclear as she has already returned to competition and the first tribunal's decision is being appealed.

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"Qualifying TADP Matter" means players who (i) have been provisionally suspended for an apparent Anti-Doping Rule Violation (as defined in the TADP) or receive a period of ineligibility from an Anti-Doping Organisation (as defined in the TADP) or first-instance panel for an Anti-Doping Rule Violation, and (ii) have been found to have not committed or to bear No Fault (as defined in the TADP) or Negligence (as defined in the TADP) for a violation by an Anti-Doping Organisation, first-instance panel, or appeal panel (as applicable), and therefore no period of ineligibility applies

To be eligible for a TADP Special Ranking in either singles or doubles, a player must: (a) have been subject to a TADP Out-of-Competition Period; (b) have a WTA Ranking of 1-750 in singles or doubles as of the start of the TADP Out-of-Competition Period; and (c) meet the eligibility requirements of the Integrity Rules, including the repayment of any forfeited prize money to the ITIA, and these Rules to enter and participate in WTA Tournaments.

WTA may request documents concerning the Qualifying TADP Matter, including any appeal that may be pending, and if a player fails to comply promptly with such requests, the WTA may revoke her TADP Special Ranking.

-- Edited by Lambda on Thursday 9th of May 2024 07:41:56 AM

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Czech Nikola Bartunkova runner up at Wimbledon junior girls singles 2023 has been provisionally suspended after 2 positive drug tests in February and March 2024.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
Czech Nikola Bartunkova runner up at Wimbledon junior girls singles 2023 has been provisionally suspended after 2 positive drug tests in February and March 2024.

THis has made me really sad

I loved that girl's tennis

She was a breath of fresh air at the recent Roehampton event (or not so 'fresh', it turns out)

And now I'm gutted

It was an agina drug, which also - by the by - increases blood flow to the heart and helps with endruance - and with no medical authrorisation certifcate

I think she was coached by her dad - I hope he's happy now

Var · Pro player

Coup Droit wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Czech Nikola Bartunkova runner up at Wimbledon junior girls singles 2023 has been provisionally suspended after 2 positive drug tests in February and March 2024.
THis has made me really sad
I loved that girl's tennis
She was a breath of fresh air at the recent Roehampton event (or not so 'fresh', it turns out)
And now I'm gutted
It was an agina drug, which also - by the by - increases blood flow to the heart and helps with endruance - and with no medical authrorisation certifcate
I think she was coached by her dad - I hope he's happy now

Isnt that a similiar drug that the banned Russian skater used. Kamila Valieva. Sure it was in the mix of drugs she was meant to be taking? Im sorry I have no sympathy.

-- Edited by Var on Thursday 9th of May 2024 01:46:00 PM

-- Edited by Var on Thursday 9th of May 2024 01:46:18 PM