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Doping Again !


As well as the obvious numerous potential downsides, cocaine has repeatedly been shown to have a potentially performance enhancing effect. Though that effect is contestedly negligible in some usage cases, advantage could be derived at a statistically meaningful frequency.
e.g.:
Stimulants and Athletic Performance (Part 2): Cocaine and Nicotine, Lombardo 2016
Enhancement of Athletic Performance with Drugs, Wagner 1991
Cocaine-induced locomotor activity is enhanced by exogenous testosterone, Martinez-Sanchez, Aragon & Salvador 2002
etc

Whether taken for recreational purposes or for the explicit effect, you confer the potential advantage. That's why it's banned.

Thus I find that Evans ban was actually the one that is proportional. It is all the other cases I mentioned that are wildly under baked in the sanctions they brought to bear.

Again, I believe one can usefully argue that cocaine should be a 'specified substance' rather than a 'prohibited substance', and thus incur the lesser penalty of the lower classification. I'd have considerable sympathy for that case. As is made in: Why WADA Should Reclassify Cocaine As A "Specified Substance" - The Inequitable Case Of José Paolo Guerrero, Greene & Vermeer 2018

Again however, I'd argue that the time to do so is not after a player; the player one coaches, manages, or is the agent or other representative for; or a player to whom one is favourably disposed; is caught abusing the substance. Nor when someone else gets a sentence with which one disagrees.

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We are going to have to disagree on this one and leave it at that.

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Fiddling your taxes is also performance enhancing.

More money for coaching etc.

Maybe even more than a 'negligible effect'. Yet that's not one of the listed offences.





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Coup Droit wrote:

Fiddling your taxes is also performance enhancing.

More money for coaching etc.

Maybe even more than a 'negligible effect'. Yet that's not one of the listed offences.


Of course it's not. Cheating on your taxes means you cheat on your taxes. It does not mean that you definitely spend all of those savings on coaching etc. You could, yes. But it's not a direct consequence. Like taking drugs is.

If you are, as you seem to be with this specious non-sequitur, arguing that any human action that could then have additional stages processed beyond it, and that at any time the proceeds of those collected actions can be interpreted as 'performance enhancing', then you're either arguing that everything should be banned, or that nothing should.
Breathing? Ban it! Too much breathing raises oxygen transport and motility in the circulation. Eating? Ban it. You could eat non-standard foods that would confer an advantage.
Or:
Injecting anabolic steroids at the toss up? Don't ban it! Just let them play the damned game!

It's a drugs regime WADA - the D for drugs. Cocaine is a drug.
Tax avoidance may very well be a loose metaphor of drug addiction, like love (should we police players to ensure they don't fall in love?), but we don't monitor metaphors, similies or other poetic allusions, we monitor substances.

I have to ask, so vexatious is the interpretation you present: Are you a lawyer in real life perchance?
No, I don't think this was meant as a joke.



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You're taking me too seriously, SQ. :)
What I meant was that if recreational drugs are not specifically performance enhancing (but just possibly could be, you say), then the crime of fiddling your taxes could also, possibly, be performance enhancing.
Of course steroids and all overtly performance enhancing illegal products are different.
But, as Em says, we could just agree to differ :)

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Not quite sure why it should be SO impossible to do a blood dope test, of ANY tennis player, in OR out of competition, just because of covid.

I mean, I realise some labs have moved over to covid testing but not to do ANY blood test of ANY player??? Since March???

antidoping.itftennis.com/media/317730/317730.pdf






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It's not doping.

But Sam Querry has got off incredibly lightly (say many)

"Sam Querrey found by ATP to have committed a major offense by fleeing St. Petersburg after testing positive for coronavirus but gets a very light punishment:

A $20,000 fine, suspended if he commits no other coronavirus-related offenses in the next six months."

www.atptour.com/en/news/sam-querrey-statement-december-2020

So you can get banned for years for putting your own health at risk (drug taking) but if you put the rest of the world's health at risk, we don't care.....

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$20K suspended is not a fine at all for a top 50 player. I think a suspension would be the appropriate sanction as he has shown he is unable to behave responsibly. Hopefully vaccination will be acceptable to all the players? and literally be a game changer. Most players so young they would have to wait a while although Rodge has probably already had his qualifying on age criteria.

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Utterly ridiculous priorities - as Dreddy highlights too:

Dustin Brown
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But We (Pretty Often) Get Fined If We Break Rackets Or Swear ... I Am Confused

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Ridiculous re Querrey. Selfish and shameful actions with self first and disregard for potential to spread coronavirus. 

So yes I guess Trump would probably have pardoned any more appropriate sanction.



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Yastremska has failed a drug test but is pleading her innocence.

twitter.com/D_Yastremska/status/1347199074626396161

Given what she has said and that she passed a test shortly before this one, I think it would be fair to let the investigation run its course before making any kind of judgement.

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Bob in Spain wrote:

Yastremska has failed a drug test but is pleading her innocence.

twitter.com/D_Yastremska/status/1347199074626396161

Given what she has said and that she passed a test shortly before this one, I think it would be fair to let the investigation run its course before making any kind of judgement.


 The passed test 2 weeks previously is immaterial. Anyone can pass a doping test then off to the bathroom to medicate, that said I'll still wait for it to be confirmed. Meanwhile Katie moves another step closer and the MTO count will be significantly lower while Yastremska is out.



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emmsie69 wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:

Yastremska has failed a drug test but is pleading her innocence.

twitter.com/D_Yastremska/status/1347199074626396161

Given what she has said and that she passed a test shortly before this one, I think it would be fair to let the investigation run its course before making any kind of judgement.


 The passed test 2 weeks previously is immaterial. Anyone can pass a doping test then off to the bathroom to medicate, that said I'll still wait for it to be confirmed. Meanwhile Katie moves another step closer and the MTO count will be significantly lower while Yastremska is out.


 I have to say I cant stand Yastremska as a personality, the way she reacted when her coach congratulated her opponent before sacking him. Prima donna without cause   



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JonH comes home wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:

Yastremska has failed a drug test but is pleading her innocence.

twitter.com/D_Yastremska/status/1347199074626396161

Given what she has said and that she passed a test shortly before this one, I think it would be fair to let the investigation run its course before making any kind of judgement.


 The passed test 2 weeks previously is immaterial. Anyone can pass a doping test then off to the bathroom to medicate, that said I'll still wait for it to be confirmed. Meanwhile Katie moves another step closer and the MTO count will be significantly lower while Yastremska is out.


 I have to say I cant stand Yastremska as a personality, the way she reacted when her coach congratulated her opponent before sacking him. Prima donna without cause   


I have to say that until I saw Stuart Fraser tweet about this story today, I had never heard of her disbelief



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to make it more interesting for the tabloids


Davaaai
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Seems like Dayana got prohibited substance in her body via sex.

This substance is used to improve sperm quality.
4:08 PM · Jan 7, 2021·Twitter for Android
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