Week 17 - Barcelona ATP500 - Red Clay

daisy · County player

Week 17 - Barcelona ATP500 - Red Clay

The Magician Santoro · Top national player

Would do well to get to the semis.

airsmashers · County player

Andy now on court, live stream here

http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/9248802615600.html

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Andy won 6-3 6-2. Not quite as easy as the score suggests, but good enough for the W which is all that matters at this stage.

airsmashers · County player

Murray beats Stakhovsky 6-3 6-2

Nice and solid with some good aggressive play at times

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

The Magician Santoro wrote:
Would do well to get to the semis.

He had b****y better !! I have tickets for semis and final. Did the same in Valencia 2 years ago and he went out in the early rounds. Damn inconsiderate if you ask me biggrin

Miriambee · Futures level

I quite agree, he should be in the final against Rafa!

Jan · Hall of fame

Bob in Spain wrote:
The Magician Santoro wrote:
Would do well to get to the semis.
He had b****y better !! I have tickets for semis and final. Did the same in Valencia 2 years ago and he went out in the early rounds. Damn inconsiderate if you ask me

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

R3: Santiago Giraldo (COL) WR 54 vs (2) Andy Murray WR 4

It appears that the two have never met at any level of world tennis.

-- Edited by Stircrazy on Wednesday 25th of April 2012 02:22:18 PM

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

The match tomorrow is "not before 1.30" (12.30 UK).

I used to follow the rankings really closely until they made all these "easier to understand" changes which has made it just about impossible to follow without inside information, re who manages to avoid zero pointers in particular. Am I right in thinking Andy could only gain points in Barcelona if gets to the final? Unless I'm mistaken his lowest points counting in non-mandatories is 250.

I suspect he is only playing here a) to get clay practice with Ivan in attendance b)to help with the 500 committment and c) to play doubles with Jamie.

-- Edited by Madeline on Wednesday 25th of April 2012 06:03:26 PM

steven · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
R3: Santiago Giraldo (COL) WR 54 vs (2) Andy Murray WR 4
It appears that the two have never met at any level of world tennis.

All I can find is a doubles meeting in Brisbane this year, when Muzz (with Baggy) was on the winning side 2 & 2.

steven · Tennis legend

His lowest counter if his 180 from Monte Carlo last week (the non-mandatory Masters) but that still means he needs to reach the Final to improve his ranking. Of course, any points might help in future if he doesn't defend all the points from other non-mandatories later in the year.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

That's just what I mean - the ATP include Monte Carlo among the mandatory Masters, and though I know perfectly well it isn't mandatory, I forgot to look further than the 500s and 250s!

S&V · Club Coach

Not a player I know much about at all, hope all goes well

steven · Tennis legend

Madeline wrote:
That's just what I mean - the ATP include Monte Carlo among the mandatory Masters, and though I know perfectly well it isn't mandatory, I forgot to look further than the 500s and 250s!

Oh I know, ridiculously 'fan-friendly' isn't it! bleh

No doubt the root cause of all the confusion is that they started out with a relatively simple system, perhaps even simpler than before, but when they made all the tweaks they needed to make for commercial reasons to keep various tournaments 'happy' (e.g. MC a non-mandatory Masters, year-end top 30 having to play at least four 500s including one post-USO, additional rules re zero-pointers and appeals), it suddenly got massively more complicated.

Add in the extra complication of half the tournaments not being in the same week as last year, meaning that the number of mandatory tournaments in the previous 52 weeks keeps going up and down by 1, and you end up with something that is virtually opaque.

If they can't change the commercially-driven stuff, they could at least simplify things a bit by deeming that last year's points for tournaments that move less than, say, 2 weeks in the calendar from year to year come off at the same time as the new points for the same tournament go on.