Week 47 - ATP World Tour Finals - London (indoor hard)

Shhh · Challenger level

RE: Week 47 - ATP World Tour Finals - London (indoor hard)

Mikeduke · County player

Murray saves a set point 5-4* 40-40

indiana · Tennis legend

Hmm, was thinking it's the worst and most inconsistently I've seen Andy play in some time, in partcicular with serve and unforced errors.

But it's difficult to say how much his injury has been effecting him and particular shots. Though passivity at break point 4 - 4 * didn't help.

Going to be a battle now, with first set gone 4 - 6, but if his body holds up reasonably he's so very well capable of beating Ferrer.

indiana · Tennis legend

In a strange way it is highlighting the gap between the top 4 and the rest.

Andy is playing awful for him, Ferrer is being Ferrer, and it is still very competitive.

philwrig · Hall of fame

Out of sorts and partly injured just about sums it up.

SMC1809 · All-time great

Obviously, I'm hoping Andy wins, but at 4-1 there is a silver lining if Ferrer wins.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Andy loses 4-6 5-7. For once I'm not going to complain about his first serve %, because it was obvious that his physical problems were affecting serve as well as the rest of his play - normally even when he loses his unforced error count is low, but today it was really high.

If he cannot play well enough to beat Ferrer I can't see him beating Berdych or Djokovic either. Just have to hope this niggle goes away tomorrow I suppose.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, serve on the face of it was awful, no real rythym or direction, 44% first serves in, second serve stting up more than it has for some time and even evidently almost rolling in the first at times. Did get a few good first serves in which just showed how annoying easier life would have been if he was in any sort of serving form. But all that goes with the not knowing just how much the injury was effecting him there, certainly to some extent.

Again rarely seen so many unforced errors from Andy, some quite awful, but again many of these just seemed ( very unusually for him ) due to bad movement, not getting his feet in position, and again how much that was injury related who knows.

And still the match was competitive, which as I indicated earlier just shows how much better, certainly on hard courts, a reasonably on song Murray would be compared to Ferrer.

No doubt on the points played, Ferrer was a worthy winner. On points played he won 83 - 69 ( 43 - 28 on his serve, 40 - 41 on Andy's ) though the great thing about tennis scoring is you've got to get across the line, and I had some doubts that he would if Andy could really put him under pressure, but ultimately he didn't cry

Much now going to depend on the injury prognoses both of Andy and maybe how fit Novak is.

But this one was my banker for Andy, doubt I would even have considered 4 / 1 against Ferrer here, so well done SMC. As things stand now, with probably going to have to beat both Djokovic and Berdych to progress, it's looking very dicey.

-- Edited by indiana on Monday 21st of November 2011 04:47:44 PM

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

As I have just posted on the battle for #3 thread, it is looking very unlikely that he will play any further - and I think he would be a fool if he does. According to the Daily Telegraph he did not use his 1pm practice slot today, and trying to beat Berdych with very poor movement and serve is just pointless.

Mikeduke · County player

According to the BBC he has pulled out.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Mikeduke wrote:
According to the BBC he has pulled out.

And will be replaced by Tipsy. cry

indiana · Tennis legend

Gee, Tipsy creeping up tio be world no 9 when noone was looking disbelief

Good on him though. I quite like Tipsy, my favourite Serb wink

Count Zero · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Gee, Tipsy creeping up tio be world no 9 when noone was looking
Good on him though. I quite like Tipsy, my favourite Serb

what about the bogmeister :)

But yeah Tipsy seems kinda cool, bit different for a tennis player. I bet b4 Nole came alonh he was a huge star in serbian tennis. ofcosure he still is, but he's no longer on his own.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

how come Tipsy can come in after Andy's already played one. Surely if Andy had won 2-0 it would put the new guy in an unfair position?

indiana · Tennis legend

Helen40 wrote:
how come Tipsy can come in after Andy's already played one. Surely if Andy had won 2-0 it would put the new guy in an unfair position?

The alternate coming in does not inherit any of the wins from the player he replaces.

He basically starts from 0, no matter what the original player achieved, which can give more chance to the other 3 if the original player had one or even two wins before he dropped out.

I see Berdych has just beaten Tipsy on a 3rd set TB.

Actually already means Tipsy can't make the semi finals, because if 3 players finish on one win he will lose out due to the ATP WTF rules :

"If 3 players each have one win, a player having played less than all 3 matches is automatically eliminated and the player advancing to the single elimination round ( semi finals ) is the winner of the match-up of the 2 players tied with 1 - 2 records"

So in his final match against Djokovic, Tipsy will effectively "just" be playing for 200 ranking points and considerable prize money for winning a match, whereas depending on how other matches go, the result may really matter to Djokovic re reaching the semi finals.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 23rd of November 2011 05:07:10 PM