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RE: Weeks 21-22 - Roland Garros men's main draw


The drama continues tomorrow, first on Suzanne Lenglen but at the reasonable hour of 2 pm local, 1 pm BST.



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For all one says about his attitude at times and it was really bad as I indicated earlier at the end of the second set / beginning of third he must just about the best comeback to win record from 2 sets down records around.


 

And there is the paradox of Andy Murray. He has tremendous fighting spirit and I never think he has lost until the last point has been played (certainly not in big events anyway) but then there is the other side of the coin, the Andy that is so negative that you want to hit him, the Andy whose frustration with himself is so overwhelming that it costs him matches that he should win.



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One rather hopes that the schedulers, having had three men's marquee matches that wound up being spread over two days, will be a little more careful with the programme from hereon in.

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Troicki's 5 set record: 5 wins 4 losses including 2 losses (Melzer and Stepanek) and 2 victories (Luczak and Bopanna) from 2 sets up. 

Bopanna (629) 6-3 6-3 5-7 3-6 6-3
Djokovic (3) 3-6 6-3 6-2 5-7 3-6
Melzer (16) 7-6(5) 6-4 3-6 6-7(6) 3-6
Dustov (429) 6-4 3-6 6-3 4-6 6-2
Luczak (78) 6-3 6-3 1-6 2-6 6-1
Gimeno-Traver (98) 6-7(5) 6-0 1-6 6-3 7-5
Kubot (142) 3-6 6-3 6-4 6-7(4) 6-3
Stepanek (15) 7-6(1) 7-6(3) 3-6 1-6 2-6
Davydenko (4) 1-6 6-1 3-6 6-1 2-6

From what I've seen so far, I would imagine Andy will determine who wins the match. Troicki produced some inspired winners and looked superb at the net but the flow of the match reflected Andy's performance. Until very late on, Andy's drop shot seemed to lose more than it won, often because his touch was missing on the next shot. Going after Viktor's 2nd serve was another tactic that didn't appear to work, as far too often Murray's return failed to find the court, including a key one on break point at 4-5 in the first set.

In all his matches so far, Andy's opponent has won a higher percentage of their 2nd serve points than Andy has done behind his 2nd serve. The figures are typically close but each time Andy is slightly below their figure. On first serve Murray has been significantly better in each contest. 





-- Edited by kundalini on Tuesday 31st of May 2011 02:21:34 AM

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Looking into those 5-setters a bit deeper, his record is marginally better in DC than in slams (2-1 including 1-0 from 2 sets up c.f. 3-3 including 1-2 from 2 sets up) but the most obvious thing I'd noticed (and it's clear from your list too since you put the rankings in) is that all 5 of the 5th set wins were against players outside the top 50 (78+) and all 4 of the 5th set losses were against players in the top 20.

That bodes well, obviously, except that Troicki is now a top 20 player himself ... and I imagine none of his past 5-setters have been 1-set shoot-outs on a second day either.

Edit: You probably don't need to be reminded (but I'll do it anyway wink) that Andy's record in 5th sets is:

W 10 L 5 overall, winning 7 of the last 8 (2-0 in DC, 8-5 in slams)

W 4 L 1 when he has been 2 sets down, 4-0 since the US Open 2005 loss to Clément

W 2 L 1 at RG, though all of those previous 5-setters in Paris were against GEMs



-- Edited by steven on Tuesday 31st of May 2011 09:12:38 AM

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I confess I am not very optimistic. If the match had been able to continue last night I am convinced Andy would have got the win, but as it is:

1. Troicki looked dead on his feet and uncertain what to do last night - he has had the benefit of a night's rest, and the advice of his coach.

2. I'm not certain Andy was wise to have the strapping on his ankle removed. Will that not have allowed his ankle to swell up?

3. Andy is notoriously a slow starter, even when fit, let alone when tentative about his ankle.

All of which could be problems in a one-set shoot-out. Good luck, Andy, I really hope you can do it!



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Troicki may have had the night to regroup but his confidence will have been hit by Andy's fightback. You would hope that Andy's experience at this level would be enough to see him through today. You really couldn't ask for a better QF opponent than Chela so I will be very annoyed if he doesn't get the job done.



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I do think Andy would have won last night if a 5th set had been played, though I guess the match was always played in the context that there was never really a chance 5 sets would be played.

I don't really think Andy's ankle in itself will any longer be an issue, only possibly Andy still having some doubts or bemoaning in his mind that the issue ever arose.  I think the fixed starting time could well be some help in that they can arrange a good warm-up realatively close to the match.  You can make that quite a strong warm-up since he is only going to have to play one set and that in itself may both help remove any remaining ankle doubts and get him more ready to go, although I get the impression he isn't generally quite as slow starter as he once was.

I'd make Andy favourite, but he cannot afford to lose the plot as he did at the end of the 2nd set yesterday where the issue was not his ankle but initially a few poor plays and then getting ridiculously down on himself.  



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Dreadful on the big points so far and deservedly heading to defeat.

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Or maybe not!! So glad I can't see this at work!!

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Or maybe not!! So glad I can't see this at work!!


 

Troicki choked big time. He was *5-3 and 30-0 before completely falling apart to lose 5-7. Andy can consider himself a very, very lucky boy. He should be out.



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Never in doubt biggrin.gif

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Never in doubt biggrin.gif


 Really ? That was a two Rennies and half a cushion event for me.



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Warning: watching Andy Murray matches is bad for your health.

 

Well, it's bad for my health, anyway. My blood pressure must be through the ceiling. But I am so, SO glad to have been over-pessimistic! Well done, Andy.



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From what I've seen so far, I would imagine Andy will determine who wins the match. 


 You obviously haven't got a clue. Troicki decided the outcome. Andy might have earned himself some bps early on but Troicki came up with some super tennis to save them, played a great point to break Andy then had a total meltdown from 30-0 serving for the match including a horror forehand drop shot on bp. 

Thanks Viktor that was very generous of you. 



-- Edited by kundalini on Tuesday 31st of May 2011 02:52:45 PM

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