James Cordens World Cup Live

angry1 · Lower Club Player

RE: James Cordens World Cup Live

RedCabbage · Club Coach

angry1 wrote:

The next sentence may sound like sarcasm but isn't.

Part of that is you being nicer and more reasonable than me.

The other part is you were never the minority being mocked by Scots or Mackems or whatever.The majority will never get the anger being unable to answer all the mockery of your team/player back in your youth creates.On any other subject I could argue my corner aggressively without trouble,once Scotland was involved I couldn't.Good natured mockery always turns nasty if there's loads of people getting at you and you stop laughing it off and challenge some of the innacurate elements of it.

English people I like still feel it's fine for them to extract the James but are not keen to take it back.I realise some of us Scots are as thin skinned but I do feel that we take a lot more before firing back in general.

That doesn't sound like my experience - but then it wouldn't because I'm English!

I would say that being the majority gives the English a natural superiority complex that allows us to be more self deprecating and take more of a battering because we don't have the open wounds to be poked. And that superiority complex means that we probably deserve the battering more than the minority nations.

No-one likes to be told that they are endemically thin-skinned and views are going to be automatically skewed, but I genuinely don't believe that the English are more likely to get uppity about a ribbing than the non-English. I'll probably gain more support for my argument on a British Tennis forum because I guess most British tennis fans are English; but if we were to export the debate to international circles I'd probably get more of bashing because non-Brits probably like Scots more than English (if they can tell the difference!). There aren't many neutrals in a conversation like this one - which is why they are always doomed to perpetuity.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

RedCabbage wrote:

angry1 wrote:

The next sentence may sound like sarcasm but isn't.

Part of that is you being nicer and more reasonable than me.

The other part is you were never the minority being mocked by Scots or Mackems or whatever.The majority will never get the anger being unable to answer all the mockery of your team/player back in your youth creates.On any other subject I could argue my corner aggressively without trouble,once Scotland was involved I couldn't.Good natured mockery always turns nasty if there's loads of people getting at you and you stop laughing it off and challenge some of the innacurate elements of it.

English people I like still feel it's fine for them to extract the James but are not keen to take it back.I realise some of us Scots are as thin skinned but I do feel that we take a lot more before firing back in general.

That doesn't sound like my experience - but then it wouldn't because I'm English!

I would say that being the majority gives the English a natural superiority complex that allows us to be more self deprecating and take more of a battering because we don't have the open wounds to be poked. And that superiority complex means that we probably deserve the battering more than the minority nations.

No-one likes to be told that they are endemically thin-skinned and views are going to be automatically skewed, but I genuinely don't believe that the English are more likely to get uppity about a ribbing than the non-English. I'll probably gain more support for my argument on a British Tennis forum because I guess most British tennis fans are English; but if we were to export the debate to international circles I'd probably get more of bashing because non-Brits probably like Scots more than English (if they can tell the difference!). There aren't many neutrals in a conversation like this one - which is why they are always doomed to perpetuity.

I'm obviously biased but I do feel the free pass Tim has got for his part in Andy's discomfort is at least partly in support of my view.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Yes, that annoyed me - and I'm English!

But the deplorable rags that pass for newspapers just want a sensational story, not fairness.

Incidentally the fact I'm from an area much nearer to Scotland than London might partly explain my attitude. . .

-- Edited by Madeline on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 08:12:23 PM

angry1 · Lower Club Player

Madeline wrote:

Yes, that annoyed me - and I'm English!

But the deplorable rags that pass for newspapers just want a sensational story, not fairness.

Incidentally the fact I'm from an area much nearer to Scotland than London might partly explain my attitude. . .

-- Edited by Madeline on Wednesday 7th of July 2010 08:12:23 PM

The only part that really annoys me is this,the rest of my whinging was more an expression of a persistent mild irritation made to sound more by my repetitiveness and longwindedness.The over sensitive comments were a case of extrapolating wildly from this perceived injustice.

In reality much of the English bias I infer is probably more London-centric bias which ends up looking similar in many ways.

In terms of WC coverage the constant in my day it was a man's game and there's another cheating foreigner attitudes are far more annoying.

So is Craig Burley's gratuitous Scotland are rubbish comments during a Holland match,I hate the peasant mentality of certain Scottish sports personalities on British TV,they behave as begrudged guests not equals.

English specific programming rather than British programmes aimed exclusively at an English audience and broadcast as such ,would sort that out,but from London many can't see far enough to realise that Britain and England are different.

Any idea yet how I came to choose my username?

indiana · Tennis legend

Ha ha. Well it's snappier than the "mildly irritated made to sound more by repetitiveness and longwindedness 1",

Yeah the supposed cheating Johnny Foreigner" thing gets to me too. The Uruguay coach said they got more hastle from the English ( he called it English anyway ) media than anyone re the Uruguay last minute handling on the line vs Ghana.

In truth any player for any country who hadn't punched that ball of the line when he had a chance would ( in my view quite rightly ) be in the deep brown stuff in his cxountry. Imagine if he'd said it would have been unsporting...

In fact very few folk who play to win would have done otherwise. Mother Theresa when she was alive and well might have had the excuse of at least having a second thought and then it would probably have been too late even if she had been agile enough.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

indiana wrote:

Ha ha. Well it's snappier than the "mildly irritated made to sound more by repetitiveness and longwindedness 1",

Yeah the supposed cheating Johnny Foreigner" thing gets to me too. The Uruguay coach said they got more hastle from the English ( he called it English anyway ) media than anyone re the Uruguay last minute handling on the line vs Ghana.

In truth any player for any country who hadn't punched that ball of the line when he had a chance would ( in my view quite rightly ) be in the deep brown stuff in his cxountry. Imagine if he'd said it would have been unsporting...

In fact very few folk who play to win would have done otherwise. Mother Theresa when she was alive and well might have had the excuse of at least having a second thought and then it would probably have been too late even if she had been agile enough.

The last Pope as goalie would have been none too pleased either.

indiana · Tennis legend

Actually just remembered a true story of how one of my friends when he was at school ( in England ) did handle on the line to prevent a goal and was not just sent off , but sent back to the changing rooms with the clear message from the games master that this was an appalling thing to have done. I think he may even have been reported in some way for it

Not sure quite what to make of that, but it sure doesn't teach a winning habit ( and it is not as if dangerous like a professional foul tackle could be ).

I am sure most pro players in GB do learn the sensible thing to do and it is just some media adopting anti foreigner / hypocritical attitudes.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

indiana wrote:

Actually just remembered a true story of how one of my friends when he was at school ( in England ) did handle on the line to prevent a goal and was not just sent off , but sent back to the changing rooms with the clear message from the games master that this was an appalling thing to have done. I think he may even have been reported in some way for it

Not sure quite what to make of that, but it sure doesn't teach a winning habit ( and it is not as if dangerous like a professional foul tackle could be ).

I am sure most pro players in GB do learn the sensible thing to do and it is just some media adopting anti foreigner / hypocritical attitudes.

The cheekiest one I can remember was Stephen Taylor of Newcastle for a second time handling a goal bound shot and pretending he'd been hurt by the ball hitting him in the chest/stomach.It had I think worked the 1st time but a second was rather optimistic.

I remember a Scotland player IMO blatantly diving for a penalty a few years back having been denied a clear one minutes earlier.Having got ready to partially justify his actions out of embarassment I always try to avoid condemning foreign players for it.

As it happened nobody I read or talked to agreed it was a dive anyway.

LadyTigress · County player

I don't care one whit for football, personally. The old man has always had plenty to say on the subject of football support and rivalry, however. He says that football is very tribalistic and divides people and sets them against each other.

Don't shoot the messenger.