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RE: Worst possible draw for Murray?



no Really? How fascinating! I wonder who said that "Sportsmen now have to be a mixture of Einstein and Jesus too"??? Let us know when you find out.




The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern:

  1. Person A has position X.
  2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially-similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
    1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.
    2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context i.e. choosing quotations which are intentionally misrepresentative of the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).
    3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.
    4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
    5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
  3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.

Straw man arguments often arise in public debates such as a (hypothetical) prohibition debate:

Person A: We should liberalise the laws on beer.
Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.
The proposal was to relax laws on beer. Person B has exaggerated this to a position harder to defend, i.e., "unrestricted access to intoxicants".




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Dammit apparently asked for this match to be postponed to Tuesday, so that he could have more rest, and Andy agreed to this, but the organisers put their collective feet down. First round matches are played Sunday and Monday and that is that.

Third on Lenglen. I'm surprised they didn't put it on Chatrier considering it is Gasquet.

I may miss the end but as long as it is on Freeview I will be able to record it.

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I presume it's more specifically they want all top half men's matches completed by Monday since top half 2nd round matches will be due on Wednesday.  The 1st round overall is played on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.

Yes, a little surprised the match is not on Chatrier.  But maybe Gasquet's past crimes ( I mean playing-wise smile )  have counted against this and they have preferred Monfils v Mayer.

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Strange scheduling and also noticed that Chela is already through so will have more rest than either Andy or Gasquet.

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Yes, I notice half of the 16 matches played today are only one half of a scheduled round 2 match, so they don't seem to make any particular effort to really pair them up.

Not too bad I guess as long as the Andy v Dammit match is played tomorrow and the winner ( and the others that are sort of a day behind ) still gets a day off before Wednesday's second round.  Noone insisted that Gasquet play all last week through to Saturday  smile

-- Edited by indiana on Sunday 23rd of May 2010 08:02:06 PM

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Andy seems in a good mood anyway:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-tZVF1ElwM


haha.gifSoderling. . .

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Seems everone preferred the Tsonga and Soderling versions. They accuse Andy of not singing. No! It was his voice for sure!

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Haha, is that Almagro introducing it as well! biggrin

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Josh wrote:

Haha, is that Almagro introducing it as well! biggrin



haha definetly

 



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