Week 15 - ATP Masters 1000 - Monte Carlo

murrayman650 · ATP level

Week 15 - ATP Masters 1000 - Monte Carlo

LadyTigress · County player

Oh Andy, what is he doing out there?! Just lost 6-2 6-1 to Kohlschreiber. ICK. That is not even a respectable scoreline, Andy!

EDIT: Oh dear, and, as Andy walked off-court, he was booed and whistled by the crowd. cry

There was a whole "BOO! YOU SUCK! You call yourself top 5? I want my money back!" kind of vibe going on there.

-- Edited by LadyTigress on Wednesday 14th of April 2010 02:38:09 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

GSM after Andy DFs at 40 - 30 6 - 2 6 -1

murrayman650 · ATP level

is this his darkest hour in tennis

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Pathetic. I don't know what is the matter with him but something is. That was painful to watch. I only saw the second set but I assume the first was much the same.

His confidence must be lower than a worm's belly at the moment. Yes, it was his first match on clay, but surely the surface doesn't affect the serve much? He was missing the box by miles most of the time.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Why in God's name did he bother requesting a WC if he wasn't going to bother to turn up mentally? disbelief

murrayman650 · ATP level

It's not as if even Kohlschreiber a super player on clay he just increbily average

P.S Please correct me if I am wrong

Harper · Junior player

I fear for Andy's future.

indiana · Tennis legend

Gee, what was all that about ? Presumably for a start Andy mentally still very much in another place.

I did think he would probably have to get himself together a bit better or he'd have real trouble with Kohlschreiber here, but never expected it to be as bad as that !

He's never winning anything with 37% first serves in and in 7 return games 8 / 37 ( 22% ) return points won. Took Kohlschreiber to deuce once on return ( in the last game of the the first set ) and never sniffed a break point.

Could someone that actually watched this affair try to describe what they witnessed, please.

philwrig · Hall of fame

No fight at all Kohlscreiber played pretty well but apart from a brief spell at the start of the second set Andy was very poor. Other players have no fear when playing Andy now so it is going to be a very difficult road back. Andy got where he was through alot of hard graft and without that and the fighting spirit he is just an average player.

LadyTigress · County player

Cripes, this is serious. Things haven't been good since the Aussie Open. Andy's not even injured, he doesn't have a physical excuse for this kind of performance. Boy oh boy... I'm remembering Paris 2008 when Andy went out to Nalbandian in the quarterfinals, he was so annoyed with himself that time, considered that a bad performance... What I wouldn't give to see that result from Andy now! A quarterfinals run!

I can't even contemplate Andy's mental state right now... it must be one big mess at the moment, and I don't think it's down to any one factor, he must have multiple issues going on here. I just hope this doesn't tank his career, hope it's not going to be a permanent affliction.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

$64,000 question: will he now bother getting his act together for Hutch's sake in the doubles? confuse

indiana · Tennis legend

murrayman650 wrote:

It's not as if even Kohlschreiber a super player on clay he just increbily average

P.S Please correct me if I am wrong

He's a decent enough player, ranked 33 and not bad on clay. As I said earlier in the thread he reached the last 16 in the French Open last year, beating Ferrero and Djokovic which is pretty impressive on the face of it.

So, I'd always expect him to give Andy a game on clay, and with Andy's seemingly confused mental state in last couple of months I was pretty worried about this match going into it.

No, there's no longterm evidence that Kohlschreiber is super on clay, just as I say competent enough normally to expect to be a good test.

So, I think we can take it that that result is much more Andy than Kohlschreiber. some of the stats suggest so and the little we have heard from anyone watching who appear to be in shock.

As to Andy's future, he must still have within him the ability he's displayed so often before.

What's very unclear is what is causing the current malaise and how and when he might begin to emerge from it.

murrayman650 · ATP level

Frankly Hutchins may as well play on his own tonight for all the help murray likely to be

LadyTigress · County player

I was watching this on Sky Sports - although, half the time I couldn't bear to watch, to be perfectly honest with you all.

According to Kohlschreiber's exclusive interview on court with SS, he said that he thought he was very one his game today and in blistering form, he called it one of the best performances of his career and reckoned that he was playing really well.

Indy - what I witnessed... kinda different to what Kohly said! He claimed he was having a blistering match and that's what won it against Andy - I would disagree with him. The wind was with him, to be sure, but it didn't look like a searing or blistering performance to me - Andy tanking definitely helped him win that, whether he admits it or not. Yes, he was on a good streak of form, but it wasn't amazing, and you would expect Andy to win against it just as you would expect a top 5'er to be able to pull it out against a guy of Kohly's rank even if he was having a good day. Andy was just... I can't even describe it for you. He had a decent first service game at the beginning of the match, but that's about all the credit I can give him. After that, his serves were all over the shop, having problems hitting the service box, he was being really flaky and inconsistent, like SILLY mistakes really especially in hitting shots wide/long. I wouldn't even like to comment on his mental state! Talk about wobbly... where the heck was his confidence?!... You'd honestly think he'd been lobotomised and his skull stuffed with fluff, for the duration of that match.

-- Edited by LadyTigress on Wednesday 14th of April 2010 03:06:22 PM