US Open - R4 - Andy vs. Marin Cilic (16)

andyjmr · Intermediate Club Player

RE: US Open - R4 - Andy vs. Marin Cilic (16)

Ratty · County player

philwrig wrote:

If you look at all the players who have surpassed expectations at grand slams in recent times they are all attacking players:
Soderling
Gonzalez
Verdasco
Tsonga

Could be a bit of a trend with Murray's losses this year. He has lost 9 times, of which 5 have been to players with huge clubbing forehands: Federer, Verdasco, Cilic, Gonzalez, Del Potro. The other 4 have been Nadal (x2), Roddick, Monaco. Some might say that Nadal and Roddick also have big forehands, but they aren't as flat as the others..

The problem with playing an unorthodox game like Santoro, or a retrieving game like Hewitt or Ferrero, is that when the top players have "worked you out", they are going to beat you every time (Fed has beaten Hewitt 13 times in a row).

Murray certainly has the size, strength and "whip" to hit a big forehand ...

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

^^^

Wouldn't say Ferrero has a retreiving game but is also someone who when he was number one in the world had the biggest forehand in the game... obviously that's not the case anymore with him which shows just how the game has changed.

The thing about Murray's game (or any counter-puncher really) is that if they are playing someone who is on form they can easily be hit through because of the nature of a more attacking player, and of the 9 losses, 6 of them have been against those kinds of players, while the Nadal losses are down to one being on clay another in the wind which are matches that Nadal would always be a huge favourite for, leaving just the Monaco loss, but Monaco is a very good clay courter anyway.

Murray does have a big forehand but seems very reluctant to use it as we have seen him hit some huge forehands when he wants to. I don't know whether he just doesn't trust the shot or thinks it is not the way to go, but he can hit big off the forehand wing.

There may be a point in that he has over-trained and it could explain a lacklustre effort. Similar case to Cadel Evans who apparently trained so hard to try and win the Tour de France this year (and like Murray had showed great form coming into the event), but because he'd trained so hard just had nothing left when it came to the Tour de France/US Open. It may not be the case, but Murray does train very hard so perhaps he has trained just that little bit too hard.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

Ratty wrote:

philwrig wrote:

If you look at all the players who have surpassed expectations at grand slams in recent times they are all attacking players:
Soderling
Gonzalez
Verdasco
Tsonga

Could be a bit of a trend with Murray's losses this year. He has lost 9 times, of which 5 have been to players with huge clubbing forehands: Federer, Verdasco, Cilic, Gonzalez, Del Potro. The other 4 have been Nadal (x2), Roddick, Monaco. Some might say that Nadal and Roddick also have big forehands, but they aren't as flat as the others..

The problem with playing an unorthodox game like Santoro, or a retrieving game like Hewitt or Ferrero, is that when the top players have "worked you out", they are going to beat you every time (Fed has beaten Hewitt 13 times in a row).

Murray certainly has the size, strength and "whip" to hit a big forehand ...

That may happen but he has won the next match against the only 2 of the 5 he's faced since as well as Tsonga,after an outhit defeat.Apart from Nadal nobody has shown much sign of consistently beating Andy recently.

I think the over-training rings true.I also feel and hope he might now give in and start going for more.