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Battle for the top


It's been mentioned elsewhere but worth noting here, now that Medvedev has actually succeeded in winning 2 rounds on RG clay, that he could theoretically go to WR 1 after RG. It does for starters need him to somehow reach the final ( enough if Djokovic doesn't reach the final from the top half ). If both Djokovic and Medvedev reach the final the winner will be WR 1.

Current live rankings :
1. Djokovic 10713 ( 11313 - 50% of his 1200 points for being 2020 runner up )
2. Medvedev 9873 ( 9793 + so far 80 additional points over his existing 10 RG points )

Potential points :
Djokovic : champion 12113, runner up 11313 ( any RG points above 600 add to his live total )
Medvedev : champion 11783, runner up 10983 ( every extra RG point he earns will add to his live total )

Nadal will be at best WR 3 after RG, having to win the title again just to stay on 9630 points.

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Yes, still at the RG QF stage Medvedev could have theoretically gone to WR 1 after RG. But in fact not close to truly happening and Djokovic increased his points lead at the top.

1. Djokovic 12113
2. Medvedev 10143
3. Nadal 8630



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And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.

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JonH comes home wrote:

And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.


 Probably the golden slam (assuming Olympics goes ahead and he plays it)



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flamingowings wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.


 Probably the golden slam (assuming Olympics goes ahead and he plays it)


 Yep, I didnt mention the Olympics as i am not sure I like the comparison of the Golden Slam with the times of Laver who could never play the Olympics, of course. But also I personally dont think it should go ahead and am also sure it will likely have a reduced entry standard regardless and not , as such, carry as much weight. 



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JonH comes home wrote:
flamingowings wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

And Djoko of course has the first two slams of the season and his eye on the Grand Slam in 2021.


 Probably the golden slam (assuming Olympics goes ahead and he plays it)


 Yep, I didnt mention the Olympics as i am not sure I like the comparison of the Golden Slam with the times of Laver who could never play the Olympics, of course. But also I personally dont think it should go ahead and am also sure it will likely have a reduced entry standard regardless and not , as such, carry as much weight. 


 Regardless of the Olympics situation, I think he will be targeting it and likely winning all 5 this year. 



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With Djookovic now only one Slam title behind Federer and Nadal and having won all 4 Slams at least twice, with a more balanced Slam spread, plus having positive overall H2H records against the other two, it may become increasingly difficult to suggest that Djokovic is not the era's best for on court achievement.

The argument may then be more about whether he ends up the all-time GOAT. Many might say an ugly GOAT but the GOAT nevertheless.



-- Edited by indiana on Monday 14th of June 2021 02:33:29 PM

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indiana wrote:

With Djookovic now only one Slam title behind Federer and Nadal and having won all 4 Slams at least twice, with a more balanced Slam spread, plus having positive overall H2H records against the other two, it may become increasingly difficult to suggest that Djokovic is not the era's best for on court achievement.

The argument may then be more about whether he ends up the GOAT. Many might say an ugly GOAT but the GOAT nevertheless.


 Rabid fans of Fed and Nadal will always back their man but the more average and saner fan will likely view Djoko as the GOAT yes. I would rather either the other two be the GOAT but it is what it is 

 



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Yeah, I tend to agree with both the analysis and the emotions on this - but as said, it is what it is!!

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Daniil Medvedev wins the Mallorca 250 grass court title ( Djokovic and partner gave a w/o in the doubles final ) to again in theory have a chance to be WR 1, this time post Wimbledon.

If Medvedev reaches the Wimbledon final and Djokovic doesn't then Medvedev would go WR 1. To stop that Djokovic would have to be the other finalist and win the final.

'Just' reaching the final would take them to :
Medvedev : 10280 - 90 + 1200 = 11390 points
Djokovic : 12113 - 2000 + 1200 = 11313 points
And the final winner would then be champion and WR 1

If Medvedev doesn't reach the final Djokovic would remain WR 1 whatever since he will at least carry forward 1000 Wimbledon points ( 50% of his 2019 Wimbledon points )

Unlikely again but Medvedev rather surprised on RG clay and has better overall form on grass than his previous clay form. 

In this year's ATP race, Djokovic is challenged by Tsitsipas.

1. Djokovic 5170
2. Tsitsipas 4560

(12. Norrie 1250,  23. Evans  875 )



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So Medvedev exits at the Wimbledon L16 stage, again ending his theoretical chance of taking WR 1. The over 17 year hegemony of 4 players will continue for some tine yet.

While the asks ( at least finalist first at the French Open and then again at Wimbledon ) were always very likely to be too much, at least Medvedev has been better on ckay and grass this year and his post Wimbledon total points will rise to 10.370.

Djokovic will be somewhere from 11,113 ( with 50% of his 2019 title points ) to 12,113 ( if he wins the title again ).

1. Djokovic 11,113 / 11,313 / 12,113
2. Medvedev 10,370
3. Nadal 8,270
4. Tsitsipas 8,150
5. Zverev 7,475
6. Thiem 7,425



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The start of year rankings are :

1. Djokovic 11540 ( ATP Cup 665, Australian Open 2000 )
2. Medvedev 8640 ( ATP Cup 500, Australian Open 1200 )
3. Zverev 7840 (;ATP Cup 65 Australian Open 720 )

If Djokovic had missed both the 2022 ATP Cup and Australian Open, and once the 2020 and 2021 points for these were shaken out of the rankings, he would have been within reach of both Medvedev and Zverev if either won the 2022 Australian Open.

ie. taking out these points with no replacements would have left him on 11540 - 665 - 2000 = 8875 points.

But I guess we now need someone to stuff him reasonably early in the Aus Open to open up that possibility.



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Yes, someone in-form like Struff or Humbert to catch him before he gets his eye in.

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Yes, someone in-form like Struff or Humbert to catch him before he gets his eye in.


 One Murray (A) would be my choice.



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Djokovic has been denied entry to Australia over an issue with his visa. According to the BBC Djokovic has been in the country since Wednesday and has been told he will be

deported but his lawyers have said they will challlenge the decision.

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