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Battle for the top


Born2WinTennis wrote:

Where do we think Andy can now get to on the list below? If he has say 4 more years battling it out at the top, with no youngsters that can dominate either him or djokovic, then I would like to think he could potentially reach Lleyton Hewitt 10th place on 80 weeks with Rafa's 7th place a target of 141 weeks as the absolute maximum, assuming a djokovic fightback and share of no.1 weeks.

Andy Murray UK 1
Patrick Rafter Australia 1
Carlos Moya Spain 2
Yevgeny Kafelnikov Russia 6
Thomas Muster Austria 6
Marcelo Rios Chile 6
Juan Carlos Ferrero Spain 8
John Newcombe Australia 8
Marat Safin Russia 9
Boris Becker Germany 12
Andy Roddick US 13
Mats Wilander Sweden 20
Ilie Nastase Romania 40
Gustavo Kuerten Brazil 43
Jim Courier US 58
Stefan Edberg Sweden 72
Lleyton Hewitt Australia 80
Andre Agassi US 101
Bjorn Borg Sweden 109
Rafael Nadal Spain 141
John McEnroe US 170
Novak Djokovic Serbia 223
Jimmy Connors US 268
Ivan Lendl US 270
Pete Sampras US 286
Roger Federer Switzerland 302


Andy increases his points lead as #1...albeit by not as much as hoped



-- Edited by vohor on Sunday 22nd of January 2017 05:35:38 PM

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After their Aussie Open disappointments, Andy now 11540 points, Novak 9825. Lead = 1715.

As said potential for huge lead if Andy gets his mojo back.

Taking points due off up to and including Miami :
Andy: 11540 - ( 45 + 45 ) = 11450
Novak : 9825 - ( 90 + 1000 + 1000 ) = 7735

So Andy could add 0 and Novak would still have to add 3715 by then to get on terms, so that's not happening.

The Monday following Miami will take Andy to 22 weeks at #1 and safe to say he will still be well in the lead then.



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 23rd of February 2017 02:56:41 AM

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Andy's Dubai title and Novak's Acapulco QF exit move him 2215 points clear as WR 1 : 12040 points to 9825.

If Andy was not to win another ranking match before the Rome Masters and Novak retained his Indian Wells, Miami and Madrid titles and won Monte Carlo ( with nothing else sneaked in ) Andy would still be #1 at the start of Rome. I trust that won't be how it plays out !

Novak can make a maximum net gain from IW, Miami, Monte Carlo and Madrid of 2040 points ( 45 + 45 + 1350 + 600 - that's not even giving Andy showing up 10 points ). Being ranked #1 at the start of Rome would take Andy to 28 weeks at #1.

Of course, the odds are and we'd certainly hope that Andy will actually extend his lead over these 4 tournanents, particularly over Indian Wells and Miami.

As has been clear for a while he will go to #15 on the time at WR 1 list, ahead of Wilander. Bit of a jump to #14 Nastase on 40 weeks ( and #13 Kuerten on 43 weeks ). Basically to reach #14 with his current run Andy would have to hold position until a few weeks after Wimbledon, the conclusion of which would take him to 37 weeks.



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Thanks for the update Indy; Andy looking good to be #1 for a while yet then :)

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Cheers for that Indy.

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Drew wrote:

Cheers for that Indy.


 

No probs, stranger. Just sharing stuff I like looking at anyway.

Hope you well.



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It is a fascinating list, and in terms of greats of the modern era it doesn't really lie, skewed only by the fact that Borg binned tennis so early and definitely more dominant than pistol Pete and he had Mac to put in his place!

For me purely a subjective opinion based on: hero worship, 3 grand slams, a couple of gold medals and a DC; Andy is up there (obviously not statistically) well beyond the Agassi's of this world, alongside Rafa.

We have just been fortunate to have had 4 greats of the modern era playing simultaneously and to be fair to Wawrinka if he was born in a different decade he would be well up the board too!

Thank you for posting!



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Tuesday 7th of March 2017 10:04:44 PM

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With Djokovic's loss in Indian Wells, Andy's rankings lead will stretch to 3090 points ( 12005 to 8915 ).

Good work, Andy

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With these two so out of sorts, it leaves the door at least ajar for someone else to sneak up on them for top spot.

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That door certainly won't be near opening until possibly the second half of the year sometime.

Fed will continue to lead the race, possibly developing quite a healthy early lead, but I'm not sure of him seeing it right through the year.

Just not Stan, please !

My money would still be on Andy or Novak ending the year as #1. Indian Wells is only the 2nd of 13 Slams and Masters in the year, not much at all compared to their periods of relative dominance.



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 16th of March 2017 09:29:02 PM

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Despite Andy pulling out of Miami, his lead will increase substantially as Djokovic has now pulled out as well.

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Yep, Andy now going to be over 4,000 points ahead ( 11,960 to 7,915 ). Tremendous work through Indian Wells and Miami

Novak now under much more threat from the Swiss Indian Wells finalists ( Stan short term, Fed very possibly longer term the rate he's going ) than he is to Andy for now.

Be good for Andy to get really going again soon though ...



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At this rate Federer's going to be #1 not too long after Wimbledon. Murray's injury/performance issues (of which the latter may well be down to the former) are becoming a real concern. I hope he gets back to fitness/form soon but if he is to be out for a spell, it's a real shame that he won't be able to effectively defend his #1. Pretty typical of his career actually, to get knocked down with injury woes after major successes. His previous responses have been remarkable of course, but he's older now. Been a pretty frustrating start to the year.

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TMH wrote:

At this rate Federer's going to be #1 not too long after Wimbledon. 


Probably doubtful with Roger skipping the clay season apart from the French.



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Yes Roger skipping the clay will help Nadal more than most as Andy and Novak won most of the clay points. The rankings after Wimbledon will give us a true reflection on where everyone is though.

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