USO FINAL - Andy v Federer

johnnylad · Tennis legend

RE: USO FINAL - Andy v Federer

Vandenburg · Futures level

Madeline wrote:

johnnylad wrote:

nice cars!

2-2 H2H now.

I'm really please that Roger has won this. Proved he's still the Fed.

Top 4 will be great next year...

Still not all that many players have an even H2H with him.

Top 4 will definitely be great. Top 4 seeds do not meet until the semis at soonest. If he can maintain that through the indoor season - and he is good indoors - to the AO, where he only has 5 points to defend, he should be firmly entrenched there for a while.

Ok when unknown Malise when out in semi of wimbledon did the Belique praise,no they hassled him for average performance against nalbandion
im only saying murray needs tough love because as usual im expecting the british media to over hype it all when they should not until he wins

fair enuf had it been a 5th set tie break tho.

johnnylad · Tennis legend

Andy has loads of potential points to make up at the Masters Cup as well!

johnnylad · Tennis legend

Sleep on it mate. Try to gain some enjoyment from the fortnight. Or join Belgiantennis.net and congratulate them for their superior attitude after Malisse's semi at Wimbledon.

Vandenburg · Futures level

tho i could make cheap easy throw away comments about liverpool im going to rise above your cheap swipes, becos i have the attributes of a calm scandi which is why so many slams gone are way.

------Borg,Wilander ,Edberg.-------------

johnnylad · Tennis legend

Have I mentioned Norway?

Are any of those players Norwegian?

Goodnight

Vandenburg · Futures level

no just told me to watch more tennis in order to form a opinion! lol
my comments on liverpool or the city of culture(apparanly) were just Scandi sarcasm which im sure youl handle.

john · Top national player

Just a quick note to say that anyone who thinks Federer didn't step out of gear doesn't have a clue. He played probably the best tennis he's played for at least 2 years or so and probably just as good as he's ever played.

And I always love this "he could/would have stepped up". How can you possibly know that? Personally I think if Andy had got that break in the 2nd set when the ball was clearly out, there was a very good chance that rather than step up, Federer might have become the unforced error machine that he has been pretty much all year.

Either way, Andy tried his best but didn't have a great deal left after his semi final was stretched to 2 days. Federer was just sublime throughout and no one on the planet could have dealt with him today.

Vandenburg, serious question. Do you really think that the career of Malisse should be the blueprint to be followed?

madfan · Social player

Shame Andy didnt win but Federer was unstopabble last night. Andy has had a great 2 weeks and must have learnt a lot - I am sure he will get a slam sooner rather than later.

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

Shame that Murray lost the match, but to be honest, even if he'd played like he did against Nadal he'd have struggled as Federer was just too good for the majority of the match.

Don't think he's played that well in a long time, as it wasn't the serve that was saving him but the groundstrokes, so we're going back past Wimbledon 07 as to when he played that well.

Murray though wasn't at his best, as he didn't serve as well as he needed to, with not enough first serve's, and the 2nd serve slipped back to how it was at the start of the tournament rather than the one he had against Nadal.

Not a lot he could do in the rallies, as Federer just didn't miss enough to make the defensive tactics work, and his attacking game wasn't there really.

Still, it's a been a great week for Murray to reach a Slam final, and now he has to build on it with a good run in at least one of the end of season Masters, getting us through in the Davis Cup, and then hopefully he can do something at the Aussie Open (and follow djokovic who played well below himself in the US Open final last year and then went on win it)

(and Malisse's career to be the one that is followed? - the same Malisse who has never gotten on with the Belgian Tennis Federation so are unlikely to praise him even if he did do well at Wimbledon in the greatest/flukiest grand slam ever (although if he'd stayed fit, he'd have been a regular top 20, possibly top 10 player))

RJA · Hall of fame

Well Federer was back to his awesome best last night and I don't think Andy would have beat him even if he and reproduced his semi-final form. That said who knows what would have happened if he had stopped playing and gone to hawk eye on the 15-40 point to put him a break up.

The positives however were that he didn't choke in his first grand slam final and he didn't capitualte to a complete thrashing like so many could have done at 2-6 0-2.

All in all a great tournamnet, he is now established at the top of the game, has pretty much proved all his critics wrong and the future looks very bright.

Vandenburg · Futures level

no john im not saying malise is world beater but am agreeing with the way the belgique media treats him,similar to other nations,

im just worred however in UK the overhype will settle for 2nd best of losing in a slam final.

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Well if that is the best he has done by the time he is 30, they might then have a point. At the moment, at age 21, I think he is doing better than most of us expected.

I read somewhere that at the same age Henman had just broken into the top 100 and had only won 2 matches in slams. He was 28 when he reached #4.

So, a little more patience please. Andy is getting there.

I think one of the main problems he has to solve is learning to win more easily in the earlier rounds, so he has more left at the finish of a long tournament. He plays big matches well - but he is not going to get to play the big players until he has overcome the lesser ones!

SteveWalker · Social player

I agree - he's still young and improving fast. With a little more consistency the big three will certainly become the big four. If he can carry this recent form through to the start of next season when Nole has loads of points to defend and Murray (after the first couple of weeks anyway) had some disappointing results, the gap could become much smaller very quickly.

Also a query someone here might be able to answer... the break point that he didn't challenge: could he have challenged after the point had finished, or does he have to stop and challenge immediately? I suspect the latter from his reaction, but it seems odd to be encouraging players to give up on points rather than play on, and has a very harsh penalty if you're wrong when you were still in the rally!

Count Zero · Tennis legend

you have to challenge immeadiately, otherwise you'd have players challenging calls all the time after they lose a rally in the hope of winning. you have to be pretty certain to challenge on that type of ball as even if it is long you still have a chance of winning the rally.

you can play the shot then challenge but i think yit has to be pretty quick.