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RE: Cincinnati Masters 2008 FI: Andy vs Novak Djokovic


Fabulous and pleased that having lost when serving for the match, he finally won it on his serve and with a winner. Hope to see him maintain this more aggressive play from now on.

A great week but glad of a rest for a few days before the Olympics.

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YES, YES, YES, YES, YES !!!!

Do I care if it was the greatest match ever not a jot ?!!  He's shown so much over the last two weeks !  Anyway, it certainly wasn't too bad.

Am I bothered about supposed choking, not really. Let's look at the facts, Novak double faulted in a game twice in the second set and lost it, as did Andy when he served for the match, as did Novak again in the final game ( when Andy kept it together so well ) .  So it was tense and there were two folk either serving doubles at unfortunate time or choking,  and with the relative previous experiences I know who was entitled to be more nervous !

It will have served Andy so well to have experienced the turns in such a match as this, and to have come through it.  It was a hell of an important match for him, and will serve him well and maybe make things a bit easier next time he is such a position.
 
Finished with his backhand, so appropriate !

-- Edited by indiana at 14:23, 2008-08-04

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I don't know what to say. I am totally exhausted, and so, so relieved! When he passed up on the Championship points I thought he was done for, that Djokovic would take over.

If FD thinks it was a low-quality match I'm surprised. It may not have been outstanding in pure tennis terms, but in terms of tension, and determination from both players, it is very high in my opinion.

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That's what I meant with the low-quality comment... in terms of the actual tennis, it wasn't that good and was littered with unforced errors, but was very high on tension and drama that made it more memorable.

That said, last time there was a high quality Masters Series final in terms of the tennis played would probably have been... Madrid (although Davydonkey in Miami and Nalby in Paris produced world class individual performances...)

And I apologise for the pun in the headline on the main page report... saw the sign being held up by one of Murray's team and had to use it!

EDIT: And Mr Disney deserves to lose his job just for that speech at the end alone... never mind all the other reasons why he should be fired... Murray and Djokovic showed their respect for him by making fun of him behind his back smile

-- Edited by ForeverDelayed at 23:24, 2008-08-03

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Andy Murray won his first Masters Series title beating Novak Djokovic 7-6(4) 7-6(5) in Cincinnati. Five match points came and went before Andy's fierce first serve got a short reply and he stepped up the court to fire a double-handed backhand down the line for a winner.

Murray appeared to have wasted his opportunity when he failed to serve out the match at 5-3. Struggling to cope with the situation, he twice double faulted before saving a break point with an unreturned first serve. There followed four match points but each time it was Djokovic that came up with the bold tennis while Andy could barely manage to hit the ball in court, as the nerves got to him.

The match started with both players holding comfortably. Murray's first serve percentage was low but Novak found it difficult to return Andy's kicked second serve and was unable to put pressure on the Murray serve at any point in the opening set. Djokovic came through a couple of long service games, saving a break point in each. Murray's return of a second serve was aggressive but he chose to go into rally mode rather than press the opening and missed out when a backhand clipped the net and fell wide. Novak saved the second break point with a pass following an inspired drop shot.

With neither player anywhere near their best, the points tended to end with a careless error. Djokovic's forehand was desperately poor while Murray's safety first approach still produced far too many loose shots, often at key moments on the Djokovic serve.

Murray surged to a 6-2 advantage in the opening set tiebreak with a couple of fine shots of his own but largely due to four unforced errors from an out of sorts Djokovic. Two set points came and went before Novak's wild backhand over the baseline gifted Andy the first set.

The second set came to life when Novak found himself with two break points thanks to a couple of shocking groundstrokes from Andy. Murray responded with a winning forehand pass after a drop shot then a forehand down the line for a winner but opted to challenge a service call and seemed to lose his focus as he then proceeded to hand Novak the break with a wild forehand long then a backhand over the baseline.

In a match of little quality the following game with the score at 1-2 was the clear low point. Djokovic double faulted twice to present Murray with an opening. Andy gave away the next two points with awful errors only for Novak to strike a couple of routine backhands into the net to give back the advantage.

Serving at 3-4 Novak's drop shot failed to make it over the net. He then volleyed long under little pressure and could only watch as Murray's forehand pass brought up two break points. Djokovic seemed in control of the point but his smash was a weak effort and Murray's desperate high defensive lob landed just inside the court, unsettling Novak who failed to get himself in position and netted his confused attempt at a smash.

Murray merely needed to serve out the match but the occasion got to him and he was somewhat fortunate that the serb twice double faulted in the second set tiebreak. To his credit, Murray did come up with a couple of inspired shots; his backhand crosscourt after an extraordinary rally, being the highlight of another error filled tiebreak.

Overall the standard of tennis was not what you might have expected given the form of the two respective players coming into the final. Murray's safety first approach produced 16 winners but 43 errors, while the more ambitious Djokovic fired 31 winners with 54 unforced errors. Andy's returning was generally good but his first serve failed to deliver. For much of the match his second serve troubled Djokovic winning him 61% of the points but it let him down badly in the games in which he was broken.

So a breakthrough win for Andy; hopefully he will deal with the situation better in the future.

(if you don't like it, don't put on Britishtennis.net - I don't have a problem with that. But I'm not going to write that Andy played well when he quite clearly didn't)

-- Edited by kundalini at 23:38, 2008-08-03

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-- Edited by kundalini at 00:04, 2008-08-04

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Its a free world...but for heavens sake Andy played a good match and in that first set his errors where few and for once it never looked like Andy would loose serve. Nole did not get past 30 in that first set. Andy kept firing the ball back with interest off Nole's first serve and the Serbian did not know where to go. He did not have an off day just for nothing....Murray just got the ball back with extreme pace time after time. You could see the despair at times in his face.

If people want to go on about the errors and low quality comments then thats fine.

Andy played the right game....he set out to get on top of Nole's game and it worked...Andy must have been surprised though at the level to which he got Nole to drop to...and realised it was there for the taking.

Two 21 years olds battling it out in 90 Degree heat trading almightly blows back at one another. They know each other so very well and perhaps they both knew the game would be decided by the smallest of margins.

Brilliant stuff...more of the same please.



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Well a Win is a Win and that will give Andy a massive boost in several directions !

Well done Andy !

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You wrote :

So a breakthrough win for Andy; hopefully he will deal with the situation better in the future.

Please note that after the missed match points Andy showed pure determination to not let it get to him. He sorted out his head...not easy and got back on the court. He went onto win. Yes he actually won his first Master Series Title...after loosing match points....he went on to get himself some more....and he won.

I would say he handled the overall situation very well.

He won.

He will learn and will win again.

But on this wonderful night I can only see the positives....he lost match points...so he got some more...he worked for them...they were not handed to him on a plate...he ground them out.

Andy Murray - Cincinatti Masters Champion 2008. (After half a dozen MP's)

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Excuse me beginning to get slightly irritated on what should be a great night.

But after reading FD's earlier comments about ( just ) Murray seeming to choke. I have now read his main page report. 

Murray evidently serves "dreadful double faults" and can't take the pressure.  Djokovic merely serves ( more ) "double faults"  and no mention of not taking the pressure.

I'm sorry to see Kundalini joining in a bit with the spendid line "Murray merely neede to serve out the match, but the occasion got to him and he was sonewhat fortunate that the serb twice double-faulted in the second set tiebreak"   Some might say that Djokovic was lucky that Murray twice double-faulted at 6-5, but then the occasion got to Djokovic in the tiebreak at the end.  But that would be a rather strange line to take I think.

The fact is it was tense, the occasion got to both a bit at vital times, and the less experienced guy in these situations came through at the end.

"A match of little quality"   ?  I really must get my eyes tested.   At times, I think there was real quality tennis, though not consistently enough to make a really good match.

I'm all for not going overboard over Andy, and introducing realism, but you two seem on accasion to go the other way.

Now FD and Kundalini, I'm off for a drink and when I'm half-way down my first drink, the glass will stiill be half-full.  Why do I think yours might be half-empty ?

Anyway, let's all rejoice in Andy's first Masters Series title and hope for many more.

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I don't know what to say. To beat Novak is a real achievement. So is winning a Masters Series title. But the tennis was abysmal and Murray won because Novak was just awful; I mean he was terrible. And the nerves really got to Andy.

No doubt the heat must have played a part.

I see the BBC have a nice positive article on the final for anyone who wants to read how great Andy was:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7539980.stm

-- Edited by kundalini at 00:18, 2008-08-04

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Thankfully, I was watching the same match as Drew, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Many points had wonderful tennis played by both players. And Andy Won!!!!!

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kundalini wrote:

I don't know what to say. To beat Novak is a real achievement. So is winning a Masters Series title. But the tennis was abysmal and Murray won because Novak was just awful; I mean he was terrible. And the nerves really got to Andy.

No doubt the heat must have played a part.





The point is that there was some great tennis played...more so by Murray. Nole got really wound up that he could not dominate.
In 1 game Andy got nervous. He turned it around and won.
Murray won because he played the better match & better tactics and Nole had no answer. Yes he played poorly. To say Murray only won due only to the way Nole played is wrong IMO.

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Come Onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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I hate winner/unforced error comparatives, they are so subjective. What is an unforced error in some eyes, was forced by good play on the other side by others.

So here are some of the official and undeniable statistics, Murray figures first:

Aces   1-6
Double faults   2-6
1st serve %    52%-57%
1st serve points won   70%-65%
2nd serve points won   62%-51%
1st return points won   35%-30%
2nd return points won   49%-38%
Total service points won   58/88(66%)-57/96(59%)
Total return points won   39/96(41%)-30/88(34%)
Total points won   97/184(53%)-87/184(47%)

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Drew wrote:

kundalini wrote:

I don't know what to say. To beat Novak is a real achievement. So is winning a Masters Series title. But the tennis was abysmal and Murray won because Novak was just awful; I mean he was terrible. And the nerves really got to Andy.

No doubt the heat must have played a part.






The point is that there was some great tennis played...more so by Murray. Nole got really wound up that he could not dominate.
In 1 game Andy got nervous. He turned it around and won.
Murray won because he played the better match & better tactics and Nole had no answer. Yes he played poorly. To say Murray only won due only to the way Nole played is wrong IMO.


What did Andy do that troubled Novak? I would say his kicked second serve caused Djokovic real problems up until the game in which Andy was broken. But apart from that I really don't think Andy found some secret formula that Novak just couldn't deal with.

Andy has now beaten Novak twice in two weeks and hasn't dropped a set in the process so maybe he's figured him out. Perhaps he knows that his best chance is if Novak loses confidence in his forehand and can't think straight as a result.

Before this match I actually thought Andy might win the US Open this summer. He's capable of playing some brilliant tennis.   



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