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Madeline


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1 Federer, Roger SUI 1
2 Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
3 Djokovic, Novak SRB 3
4 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 4
5 Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Roddick, Andy USA 6 OUT
7 Nalbandian, David ARG 7 OUT
8 Gasquet, Richard FRA 8
9 Blake, James USA 9
10 Berdych, Tomas CZE 10
11 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 11
12 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 12
13 Murray, Andy GBR 13
14 Robredo, Tommy ESP 14
15 Canas, Guillermo ARG 15
16 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 16
17 Baghdatis, Marcos CYP 17 OUT
18 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI 18 OUT
19 Monaco, Juan ARG 19
20 Karlovic, Ivo CRO 20
21 Moya, Carlos ESP 21
22 Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 22 OUT
23 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 23 OUT
24 Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 24
25 Almagro, Nicolas ESP 25
26 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 26
27 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 27
28 Stepanek, Radek CZE 28
29 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 29
30 Verdasco, Fernando ESP 30
31 Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG 31
32 Malisse, Xavier BEL @31
33 Andreev, Igor RUS 32
34 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 33
35 Simon, Gilles FRA 34
36 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 35
37 Haas, Tommy GER 36 OUT
38 Starace, Potito ITA 37
39 Llodra, Michael FRA 38
40 Soderling, Robin SWE 39
41 Fish, Mardy USA 40
42 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 41
43 Volandri, Filippo ITA 42
44 Mahut, Nicolas FRA 43
45 (SE)
46 (Q)
47 (Q)
48 (Q)
49 (Q)
50 (Q)
51 (Q)
52 (Q)
53 (WC) Beck, Andreas GER
54 (WC) Berrer, Michael GER
55 (WC) Schuettler, Rainer GER
56 (WC) Mischa Zverev GER
57 (LL)

Alternates
1 Cilic, Marin CRO 44 IN
2 Acasuso, Jose ARG 45 IN
3 Seppi, Andreas ITA 46 IN
4 Darcis, Steve BEL 47 IN
5 Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR 48 OUT
6 Santoro, Fabrice FRA 49 OUT
7 Querrey, Sam USA 50 OUT
8 Kiefer, Nicolas GER 51 IN
9 Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 52 OUT
10 Calleri, Agustin ARG 53 OUT
11 Gicquel, Marc FRA 54 OUT
12 Bolelli, Simone ITA 55 IN
13 Montanes, Albert ESP 56 IN
14 Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 57
15 Koubek, Stefan AUT 58

-- Edited by Madeline at 20:48, 2008-05-06

-- Edited by Madeline at 20:55, 2008-05-08

-- Edited by Madeline at 11:00, 2008-05-09

-- Edited by Madeline at 23:26, 2008-05-10

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Madeline wrote:

13 Murray, Andy GBR 13

Considering the fact that he's now dropped out of the top 20, he's been damned lucky with that seeding, both here & in Rome! disbelief.gif



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The seeding will be based on his ranking the week before the tournaments won't it, not on his position when the entry list comes out. Hope I haven't misunderstood your comment but he probably won't be seeded at all.

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Andy might just scrape in as a seed again; he was 18th on Monday, the date used for the seeding list, and Baghdatis is definitely out. So he only needs one more withdrawal from those above him. I think Berdych is still injured so unlikely to play, and it is always possible that Fed, Rafa or both will withdraw as they did two years ago.

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Nalbandian withdraws meaning Andy has a seeding

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Gonzo is out as well.

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13-16th seed is no use really as it means he's got no chance of getting past the round 16, as I can't see any arguement that he could beat Fed, Rafa, Djoko, Davy on the clay, so this seeding limits his progress

That said, with Gonzo out, and question marks over Fed, Rafa, Berdych, Youhzny and whether Blake/Roddick will want to back up their success this week, I'm expecting him to make it and so at least have an outside chance of the QF's (that said, back to back wins would be great)

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I hadn't realised that seeds 13-16 were grouped together to play 1-4 in the round of 16 - but I see this was the case in Rome too. Is this a Masters Series thing? It's more normal in setting tournaments to just group 1, 2, 3-4, 5-8, 9-16 - such that a player ranked, say, 16 stands an equal chance of getting any of the top 8 seeds in the round of 16.

Not sure I like this: it could actually be a disadvantage to be seeded since non-seeds at least have the opportunity of being drawn in an eighth of the draw that does not include one of the top four.

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Neil Harman article in today's Times entitled (in the print edition, at least) "Murray the raging Scot running out of time to fulfil his promise"!  An illuminating assessment of where things stand with him as he turns 21.  Note the final sentence of the opening paragraph:  "In which direction the former teenage prodigy heads is a subject convulsing conversation [in Rome]"! headbang.gif  At least NoDjo's turning out to be the real deal! frustrated.gif

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The Hoose wrote:

I hadn't realised that seeds 13-16 were grouped together to play 1-4 in the round of 16 - but I see this was the case in Rome too. Is this a Masters Series thing? It's more normal in setting tournaments to just group 1, 2, 3-4, 5-8, 9-16 - such that a player ranked, say, 16 stands an equal chance of getting any of the top 8 seeds in the round of 16.

Not sure I like this: it could actually be a disadvantage to be seeded since non-seeds at least have the opportunity of being drawn in an eighth of the draw that does not include one of the top four.


It's cetainly the case in at least Grand Slams and Masters Series that 1-4 plays 13-16 and 5-8 play 9 -12 in the last 16.

Hence Djokovic in Monte Carlo and was in theory Nadal in Rome ( instead it could have been Ferrero who doesn't really do quareter finals in mandatories, then again Andy's only managed one in over a year cry )  

With Baghdatis, Nalbandian and Gonzalez out, he's currently lieing 15th for seeding in Hamburg, so unless another 3 pull out ahead of him, he's looking at 13-16 again. 



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I doubt if there will be any more top player withdrawals, unless Berdych is hanging on to see if he will be fit and makes his mind up at the last moment.

I thought Fed and Rafa might withdraw, but as they are both out of Rome already I expect they will play Hamburg.

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Stircrazy wrote:

[...] At least NoDjo's turning out to be the real deal! frustrated.gif


Highest seed left in the competition in Rome, after Almagro retired this evening. Can see him winning this if he's not careful. wink He's certainly showing AM a clean pair of heels at the moment. eyepopping.gif


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The draw is out.

First round - Tursunov, who used to be useless on clay, but has been winning some matches on the surface.

If he gets through that, Malisse or Simon.

3rd round, if he got there, likely to be Nadal. . .

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Nadal again?! Of course, if he gets there this time, Rafa will probably actually be there.

I hope Andy is looking at where Stani's got this week and telling himself over and over again not to let a chance like the one in Rome pass him by again!

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I'll be pleased if he gets to round 3....should beat Tursunov but atm don't really see him getting through round 2.

Simon loves clay, beat him in Rome last year and took out Tsonga last week. He is beatable, moves well, good at counter-punching on the run and has a decent serve but he doesn't really have a big shot. However if Andy plays as inconsistently as against Wawrinka he will struggle

Malisse has done well on clay in the past....got the firepower to blow a moonballing Murray off the court

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