Andy's ranking in 2008

briteny · Intermediate Club Player

RE: Andy's ranking in 2008

RobC · All-time great

So we have Ferrer and Nalbandian out of the way.......

Mad, am I right in thinking that means that Andy is now just the one win away from world #4, as long as Davydenko does the decent thing and loses before the quarters?

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

That's the way it looks to me, Rob. He is now on equal points for #4 with Ferrer, but Ferrer holds the place with higher mandatory points; another win would put him above Ferrer (who is now out).

Davydenko is 165 points behind Andy at the moment but hasn't yet played his 3rd round match - if he wins it, he will be only 90 points behind. Now that we are up to big points matches, I think Andy needs to stay in the tournament to at least the same round as Donkey to secure the place.

It would be nice if Nikolay goes out today. . . C'mon, Dima!

angry1 · Lower Club Player

According to atptennis.com Ferrer has higher non mandatory points so I think Andy is either behind him or wins the tie-breaker.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=F401

and

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/pointsbreakdown.asp?player=MC10

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

angry1 wrote:

According to atptennis.com Ferrer has higher non mandatory points so I think Andy is either behind him or wins the tie-breaker.

No, the tiebreaker is who has the higher points in mandatory tournaments. So Ferrer keeps #4 unless Andy wins another match.

angry1 · Lower Club Player

Madeline wrote:

angry1 wrote:

According to atptennis.com Ferrer has higher non mandatory points so I think Andy is either behind him or wins the tie-breaker.

No, the tiebreaker is who has the higher points in mandatory tournaments. So Ferrer keeps #4 unless Andy wins another match.

Sorry I didn't phrase that too well. What I meant was Ferrer has according to those links an 885-820* lead in points from optionals so must have a lead overall of 66 points or more if he leads in mandatory points as well, rather than being tied.

* chief suspect as to where I've gone wrong

imoen · Admin: Moderator+Tennis Legend

Does anyone else make it that if Djokovic wins the whole thing and Federer goes out before the semis, Nole takes 2nd in the rankings? I can't quite believe it myself, and definitely can't believe that no one has noticed/mentioned it yet (of course I could just be blind and/or making a big mistake!).

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

imoen wrote:

Does anyone else make it that if Djokovic wins the whole thing and Federer goes out before the semis, Nole takes 2nd in the rankings? I can't quite believe it myself, and definitely can't believe that no one has noticed/mentioned it yet (of course I could just be blind and/or making a big mistake!).

I'm not sure, but I read somewhere that all Djokovic needs to do is win the tournament to become the world number 2.

And I also make it Murray having more points from mandatory events, so will be ahead of Ferrer next week, so is likely to be world number 4 (as long as the TMC isn't a mandatory event, which I don't think it is)

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

angry1 wrote:

Sorry I didn't phrase that too well. What I meant was Ferrer has according to those links an 885-820* lead in points from optionals so must have a lead overall of 66 points or more if he leads in mandatory points as well, rather than being tied.

* chief suspect as to where I've gone wrong

I think the confusion here is that I am working on their *live* points, that is the current ranking tables less defending this week plus points this week, and so they are both at this precise moment on 2490 points - of which Ferrer has the higher total in mandatory points.

Andy, please win another match (or more) and make this discussion irrelevant . . .

imoen · Admin: Moderator+Tennis Legend

ForeverDelayed wrote:

imoen wrote:

Does anyone else make it that if Djokovic wins the whole thing and Federer goes out before the semis, Nole takes 2nd in the rankings? I can't quite believe it myself, and definitely can't believe that no one has noticed/mentioned it yet (of course I could just be blind and/or making a big mistake!).

I'm not sure, but I read somewhere that all Djokovic needs to do is win the tournament to become the world number 2.

Yes, that makes sense becuase for Djokovic to win the whole tournament, Federer has to go out in the semis or before as that's where Djokovic and he play one another.

Jack Buxton · Club Coach

Madeline wrote:

angry1 wrote:

Sorry I didn't phrase that too well. What I meant was Ferrer has according to those links an 885-820* lead in points from optionals so must have a lead overall of 66 points or more if he leads in mandatory points as well, rather than being tied.

* chief suspect as to where I've gone wrong

I think the confusion here is that I am working on their *live* points, that is the current ranking tables less defending this week plus points this week, and so they are both at this precise moment on 2490 points - of which Ferrer has the higher total in mandatory points.

Andy, please win another match (or more) and make this discussion irrelevant . . .

Please forgive a newbies input on this but i calculate the mandatories "as it stands" (with last years US open deducted and this years ptd added)

Ferrer 1605
Murray 1670

Anyone else please care to check my mathematics????

ForeverDelayed · Grand Slam Champion

Madeline wrote:

angry1 wrote:

Sorry I didn't phrase that too well. What I meant was Ferrer has according to those links an 885-820* lead in points from optionals so must have a lead overall of 66 points or more if he leads in mandatory points as well, rather than being tied.

* chief suspect as to where I've gone wrong

I think the confusion here is that I am working on their *live* points, that is the current ranking tables less defending this week plus points this week, and so they are both at this precise moment on 2490 points - of which Ferrer has the higher total in mandatory points.

Andy, please win another match (or more) and make this discussion irrelevant . . .

Ferrer's mandatories are:

Roland Garros - 250
Aussie Open - 250
Wimbledon - 75
US Open - 75

Monte Carlo - 125
Paris - 125
Canada - 75
Hamburg - 75
Indian Wells - 35
Cincinatti - 5
Rome - 5
Monte Carlo - 5
Madrid - 5

So.... 1105 points

Murray's mandatories are:

Wimbledon - 250
US Open - 150 (and counting)
Roland Garros - 75
Aussie Open - 5

Cincinatti - 500
Toronto - 225
Paris - 125
Hamburg - 75
Monte Carlo - 75
Madrid - 75
Indian Wells - 75
Rome - 35
Miami - 5

So... 1670 points

So Murray has the more points from mandatory events, and will be ahead of Ferrer even if he loses to Wawrinka (but Davydenko would overtake him if he beat Muller)

(even if you add on the TMC points for Ferrer, which I'm sure count as an extra optional rather than mandatory in the tiebreaker, Murray is still ahead)

-- Edited by ForeverDelayed at 11:59, 2008-09-01

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Big ooops. You are quite right, and I am wrong, I'm glad to say!

So all we need to worry about is Davydenko. I suspect he is going to win the next round against Muller - but then, who thought Muller would have got as far as he has, maybe his purple streak will continue. In any case, Andy, please win against Wawrinka!

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Andy duly obliged and is ahead of Ferrer in provisional #4.

The only ones that can stop him - Davydenko by going one round further than Andy, and Roddick or Gonzalez by winning the whole tournament.

Possible, but unlikely I would have thought.

Now, where did I put my voodoo dolls and pins. . . evileye

RJA · Hall of fame

Madeline wrote:

Andy duly obliged and is ahead of Ferrer in provisional #4.

The only ones that can stop him - Davydenko by going one round further than Andy, and Roddick or Gonzalez by winning the whole tournament.

Possible, but unlikely I would have thought.

Now, where did I put my voodoo dolls and pins. . .

Just to add to that. Davydenko would have to reach the semis to have any chance of staying above Murray and doing so will probably require beating a guy called Federer.

Also if Andy beats del Potro neither Roddick or Gonzalez can catch him.

On a different note did anyone else realise how tough a draw Federer had. If everything went according to seedings it would be Davydenko in the quarters, Djokovic in the semis and then Nadal in the final.

-- Edited by RJA at 15:55, 2008-09-02