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Miami pick 'em analysis


The following table shows how many of our team (BT:) picked each player to win their R1 (bottom half of the draw) match and how many of their team (AM:) did, so that we can see what are the crunch matches for the team comp.

Winners in bold.

Btw no, I didn't count them all LOL - it's one advantage of having all the data in a single Excel file!

= 5+ swing to us (BT)
= 1+ swing to us (BT)
= no effect on the team competition
= 1+ swing to them (AM)
= 5+ swing to them (AM)
  
BT: 23 /  AM: 20  for  (WC) Thomas Johansson - swing of 3 for BT
BT: 2 /  AM: 5  for  Alberto Martin
  
BT: 5 /  AM: 1  for  Kristof Vliegen
BT: 20 /  AM: 24  for  Paul-Henri Mathieu - swing of 4 for AM
  
BT: 13 /  AM: 25  for  (WC) Gustavo Kuerten
BT: 12 /  AM: 0  for  (Q) Raemon Sluiter - swing of 12 for BT
  
BT: 22 /  AM: 17  for  Paul Goldstein - swing of 5 for BT
BT: 3 /  AM: 8  for  (WC) Ryan Sweeting
  
BT: 16 /  AM: 18  for  Juan Monaco - swing of 2 for AM
BT: 9 /  AM: 7  for  (Q) Robin Haase
  
BT: 0 /  AM: 1  for  (Q) Simone Bolelli - swing of 1 for AM
BT: 25 /  AM: 24  for  Gael Monfils
  
BT: 12 /  AM: 22  for  Paradorn Srichaphan
BT: 13 /  AM: 3  for  Luis Horna - swing of 10 for BT
  
BT: 2 /  AM: 3  for  Martin Vassallo Arguello - swing of 1 for AM
BT: 23 /  AM: 22  for  Hyung-Taik Lee
  
BT: 10 /  AM: 9  for  (Q) Chris Guccione
BT: 15 /  AM: 16  for  Florent Serra - swing of 1 for AM
  
BT: 12 /  AM: 21  for  Nicolas Massu
BT: 13 /  AM: 4  for  (Q) Feliciano Lopez - a swing of 9 for BT 
  
BT: 13 /  AM: 20  for  Stefan Koubek
BT: 12 /  AM: 5  for  Michael Llodra - a swing of 7 for BT
  
BT: 22 /  AM: 21  for  Max Mirnyi
BT: 3 /  AM: 4  for  Daniele Bracciali - swing of 1 for AM
  
BT: 8 /  AM: 16  for  Jan Hajek
BT: 17 /  AM: 9  for  (Q) Teimuraz Gabashvili - swing of 8 for BT
  
BT: 20 /  AM: 15  for  Juan Martin del Potro - swing of 5 for BT
BT: 5 /  AM: 10  for  Jonas Bjorkman
  
BT: 17 /  AM: 7  for  (Q) Ivo Karlovic
BT: 8 /  AM: 18  for  Guillermo Garcia-Lopez - swing of 10 for AM
  
BT: 25 /  AM: 25  for  Jan Hernych
BT: 0 /  AM: 0  for  (Q) Ricardo Mello - everybody on both teams got it wrong!

We've won similar numbers of matches, but AM seem to win the ones where there is not much difference of opinion (all but one of the matches where opinions differed by less than 5) and BT seem to win the ones where there is a big difference of opinion (all but one of the matches where the opinions differed by 5 or more)

It's very clear looking at the numbers above that there are quite a lot of AM team members who go for the players most people have heard of (Srichaphan, Kuerten, Henman, etc), whereas those of us on BT are more likely to know how good people like Sluiter and 'bash are at causing upsets. That's the way round you'd expect when you have a site that concentrates mainly one one player playing against a site that concentrates on lots of players, so no big surprise there.

What it does mean is that the matches involving 'name' players who aren't near the top of the rankings any more are crunch matches for the team contest. For example:

AM went for Tigger 18-7, we made it almost equal at 13-12 - a 5 point swing to us if Canas wins, a 5 point swing to them if Tigger does (I'll still be cheering for him though!)

AM went for Gaudio 19-6, we went for R-H 14-11 - an 8 point swing to one team there.

AM went for C Rochus 16-9, we went for Santoro 21-4, a massive 12 point swing at stake there. I wonder if some of the AMs thought it was O Rochus. I'll look silly saying that if Christophe wins, of course!

AM went for Kuerten 25-0, 12 of us thought Sluiter would beat him - probably the Boggo fans with their unhappy memories!  A 12-point swing to us.

Also Srichaphan's loss and 'bash's win follow this pattern, and I wonder if the swing in the Kuznetsov match has something to do with the similarity of the name to Kuznetsova ...

Going against my tinpot 'theory' though - AM went for Garcia-Lopez 18-7, while we went for Karlovic 17-8 - that one is harder to explain since I'd say Karlovic is more well-known. They got it right too!

It's pretty clear that if the golden oldies (Tigger, Guga, etc) have a good run, AM might wipe the floor with us. Funny that they're relying on the older players, given that the average age there is thought to be lower than it is here.

-- Edited by steven at 04:00, 2007-03-22

-- Edited by steven at 00:20, 2007-03-23

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Winner picks (since this is the other one that's easy to do) ...

1 (RedCabbage - BT) went for Tommy Haas
4 (Donna, mintsauce, murraymaniac & SarahWiser - all AM) went for Andy M
5 (andyjmr, DUSTY, goldfish from BT and vamos, AndysIpod from AM) went for Rafa

The other 40 (21 from BT and 19 from AM all went for Federer) - so we do have an advantage there in every case except Andy winning the title.



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Hmm - interesting, so we could probably increase our chances in future if we made sure that we had a good spread of potential winners: one of us Nadal, one A-Rod, one Undertaker....... not a massive sacrifice if the Fed does win, but a big gain if there's a surprise.....

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thats true rob, possibly by coodrinating you could get some good reuslts in the end, but then that maybe kinda takes away from the indvidual element of the game.

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It's not thetaking part that matters........

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Thanks for doing all this Steven, it's really interesting.

With regards to the Karlovic match I think your theory still holds if you remember that Karlovic is famous for being only a serve and hence the AM members may think him (quite rightly) more likely to lose.

I'm a little surprised at how few people went for Vassallo Arguello, he's on a slow rise in the rankings and has had some good results at Challenger level, although thinking about it I probably only know that from being a geek with the rankings

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Lol, I think that pretty much explains the Vassello Arguello one Bethan ! All the non-anoraks among us had never heard of him Well, I vaguely remember watching Parmar beat him in Miami a few years back but that's about it !

Maybe Garcia-Lopez got picked because he's a Spaniard and with the Nadal-Ferrero-Moya-Ferrer theory, people expect him to be good ?

Amazed that Karlo lost to him though !! Also amazed at the Gucci result, for some reason the tight matches just haven't gone his way since Jan....my big duff pick was probably picking Kuerten to beat Sluiter. Didn't think Sluiter would play that well after all that time out.

Wonder if he'll get in the Dutch DC team now...could make things a little more tricky.






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The Guccione result was far from a surprise. That man can't play 20% of his best tennis out of Australia. Between the last week of August and now, he hasn't won two rounds at an event (not even in Challengers, where he usually gets seeded) except for his great run in South America.

The events in South America were all played at high altitudes - Medellin, Bogota and Quito - so his serve was practically unstoppable.



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The following table shows how many of our team (BT:) picked each player to win their R1 (top half of the draw) match and how many of their team (AM:) did, so that we can see what are the crunch matches for the team comp.

I'll bold the winners when known.

= 5+ swing to us (BT)
= 1+ swing to us (BT)
= no effect on the team competition
= 1+ swing to them (AM)
= 5+ swing to them (AM)

BT: 3 /  AM: 2  for  (PR) Igor Andreev
BT: 22 /  AM: 23  for  (WC) Sam Querrey - swing of 1 for AM
  
BT: 12 /  AM: 20  for  (WC) Alex Kuznetsov
BT: 13 /  AM: 5  for  Potito Starace - swing of 8 for BT 
  
BT: 13 /  AM: 18  for  Tim Henman
BT: 12 /  AM: 7  for  (Q) Guillermo Canas - unwanted swing of 5 for us
  
BT: 1 /  AM: 1  for  (PR) Martin Verkerk
BT: 24 /  AM: 24  for  Sebastian Grosjean - no swing
  
BT: 1 /  AM: 5  for  Sergio Roitman
BT: 24 /  AM: 20  for  Philipp Kohlschreiber
  
BT: 14 /  AM: 6  for  Ruben Ramirez Hidalgo
BT: 11 /  AM: 19  for  Gaston Gaudio
  
BT: 9 /  AM: 8  for  Igor Kunitsyn
BT: 16 /  AM: 17  for  Florian Mayer - swing of 1 for AM
  
BT: 0 /  AM: 0  for  (Q) Kevin Kim - everyone on both teams got this wrong
BT: 25 /  AM: 25  for  Benjamin Becker
  
BT: 15 /  AM: 14  for  Danai Udomchoke
BT: 10 /  AM: 11  for  Simon Greul - swing of 1 for AM
  
BT: 2 /  AM: 1  for  (Q) Amer Delic - swing of 1 for BT
BT: 23 /  AM: 24  for  Julien Benneteau
  
BT: 17 /  AM: 21  for  Janko Tipsarevic
BT: 8 /  AM: 4  for  (Q) Andreas Seppi
  
BT: 2 /  AM: 3  for  Albert Montanes
BT: 23 /  AM: 22  for  Arnaud Clement
  
BT: 19 /  AM: 19  for  Robby Ginepri
BT: 6 /  AM: 6  for  Vincent Spadea - no swing
  
BT: 15 /  AM: 10  for  (LL) Evgeny Korolev - swing of 5 for BT
BT: 10 /  AM: 15  for  Marc Gicquel
  
BT: 4 /  AM: 16  for  Christophe Rochus
BT: 21 /  AM: 9  for  Fabrice Santoro
  
BT: 20 /  AM: 21  for  Nicolas Mahut
BT: 5 /  AM: 4  for  Filippo Volandri
  

-- Edited by steven at 04:19, 2007-03-23

-- Edited by steven at 04:20, 2007-03-23

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Steven - didn't Greul beat Udomchoke so it would be in AM.com's favour?

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aria81 wrote:

Steven - didn't Greul beat Udomchoke so it would be in AM.com's favour?

Yes, you're right - I should have noticed, given that we always 'let' them have the 1 point swing matches!



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Updated - the matches in blue have now been scheduled for tomorrow.

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Final bit of analysis before I go - this time for R2:

BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (1) Roger Federer will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 20 /  AM: 17 think (29) Nicolas Almagro will win - possible 'swing' is 6 points
BT: 8 /  AM: 12 think (19) Juan Carlos Ferrero will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 23 think (15) Richard Gasquet will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (9) Tommy Haas will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 17 think (24) Radek Stepanek will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 20 think (28) Fernando Verdasco will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 17 think (6) Tommy Robredo will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (4) Nikolay Davydenko will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 11 /  AM: 10 think (31) Jose Acasuso will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 22 think (23) Juan Ignacio Chela will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 23 think (14) Tomas Berdych will win - possible 'swing' is 10 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 20 think (11) David Nalbandian will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 22 think (20) Jarkko Nieminen will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 23 think (27) Carlos Moya will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 23 /  AM: 24 think (7) Ivan Ljubicic will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 25 think (5) Fernando Gonzalez will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 10 /  AM: 14 think (26) Jurgen Melzer will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 23 think (18) Lleyton Hewitt will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (12) Andy Murray will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 24 think (13) David Ferrer will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 11 /  AM: 11 think (21) Dmitry Tursunov will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 17 /  AM: 10 think (32) Gilles Simon will win - possible 'swing' is 14 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (3) Andy Roddick will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 25 think (8) James Blake will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 22 /  AM: 22 think (25) Marat Safin will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 17 /  AM: 20 think (22) Dominik Hrbaty will win - possible 'swing' is 6 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 23 think (10) Novak Djokovic will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 24 think (16) Mikhail Youzhny will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 17 /  AM: 23 think (17) Marcos Baghdatis will win - possible 'swing' is 12 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 13 think (30) Olivier Rochus will win - possible 'swing' is 12 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (2) Rafael Nadal will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points

N.B. You can't assume that if N people from each board think a given seed will win then 25 - N think the player he is facing in R2 will win. The most extreme example is the Tursunov match, where 14 people from each board predict that he would lose, but all of them predicted he would lose to Monfils not Bolelli, who shocked Monfils in R1.

This should still be a reasonably good guide to which matches are the crunch matches for the team competition though.

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BT: 17 /  AM: 10 think (32) Gilles Simon will win - possible 'swing' is 14 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 13 think (30) Olivier Rochus will win - possible 'swing' is 12 points
BT: 20 /  AM: 17 think (29) Nicolas Almagro will win - possible 'swing' is 6 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 17 think (24) Radek Stepanek will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 23 think (18) Lleyton Hewitt will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 22 think (23) Juan Ignacio Chela will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 23 think (10) Novak Djokovic will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 17 think (6) Tommy Robredo will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 23 think (15) Richard Gasquet will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 11 /  AM: 10 think (31) Jose Acasuso will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 24 think (16) Mikhail Youzhny will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 24 think (13) David Ferrer will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (9) Tommy Haas will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (1) Roger Federer will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (4) Nikolay Davydenko will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (12) Andy Murray will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 11 /  AM: 11 think (21) Dmitry Tursunov will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (3) Andy Roddick will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 22 /  AM: 22 think (25) Marat Safin will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 25 /  AM: 25 think (2) Rafael Nadal will win - possible 'swing' is 0 points
BT: 24 /  AM: 25 think (8) James Blake will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points

BT: 24 /  AM: 25 think (5) Fernando Gonzalez will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 23 /  AM: 24 think (7) Ivan Ljubicic will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 20 think (28) Fernando Verdasco will win - possible 'swing' is 2 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 20 think (11) David Nalbandian will win - possible 'swing' is 4 points
BT: 17 /  AM: 20 think (22) Dominik Hrbaty will win - possible 'swing' is 6 points
BT: 19 /  AM: 23 think (27) Carlos Moya will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 8 /  AM: 12 think (19) Juan Carlos Ferrero will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 22 think (20) Jarkko Nieminen will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 10 /  AM: 14 think (26) Jurgen Melzer will win - possible 'swing' is 8 points
BT: 18 /  AM: 23 think (14) Tomas Berdych will win - possible 'swing' is 10 points
BT: 17 /  AM: 23 think (17) Marcos Baghdatis will win - possible 'swing' is 12 points

(matches played on Friday in bold)

I've re- ordered the table, so it's in order of the expected swing: At the top is a swing to us if a seed wins,  at the bottom is a swing to am.com if a seed wins:

So we'll do really well if Gilles Simon beats Horna.  We'll do really badly if Baggy beats Del Potro


-- Edited by RobC at 09:40, 2007-03-23

-- Edited by RobC at 09:51, 2007-03-23

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I thought I would refloat the Miami analysis and look at tonight's interesting remaining matches ...

Canas-Gasquet analysis

20 BTs and 20 AMs went for Gasquet.

Just seagull (BT), who will jump from 3rd to 1st if he gets the right result here, and Wimblyfan (AM), who will jump from 39th to 29th, picked Canas.

Others hoping that Canas will win to limit the damage caused by not picking either are:

Wallace (BT), who went for Seba Grosjean
Guy (BT), David Edwards (AM) & Speedy (AM), who went for Tigger
Imoen (BT), DUSTY (BT), Spraggz (AM) & Donna (AM), who went for JC Ferrero.


Nalby-Nieminen analysis

15 BTs and 16 AMs went for big Dave, so AM.com will close the gap by 4 if he wins.

8 BTs (RedCabbage, who could move into 1st place if the result goes his way, JohnnyLad, Rob Harris, eblunt, Rochelle, Wallace, Akhenaten and Imoen) and 5 AMs (Allan, Speedy, Vimto and Jambon and Matt) plus non-team Bellamy went for Nieminen, so BT will extend their lead by 12 if he wins.

Those also hoping for Nieminen to win to limit the damage are:

Grundon from BT, who picked Korolev and is likely to lose his outright R3-only lead as a result
Vamos from AM, who picked Gicquel
lj2007 & Sarah from AM who went for Ginepri


Santoro-Ljubo analysis

21 BTs and 18 AMs went for Ljubo, so BT will extend their lead by 12 if he wins.

Only Rob H (BT) went for Santoro - he could move into the top 10 if Fabrice wins.

Other people hoping Santoro will win to limit the damage from not having picked either of them are:

Grundon from BT, who went for Mahut
2 from BT (mkkreuk & Josh) plus 7 from AM (Sound, silk, vamos, Speedy, Allyb, mintsauce & Matt F ), who all went for Moya.


-- Edited by steven at 22:22, 2007-03-26

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