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Weeks 21 & 22 - French Open 2016 (inc. Andy) (clay)


Not looking good for Andy in terms of petrol in the tank, with the next matchup, unlikely to fill it up much.

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Well I don't know, Karlovic has just been put through the ringer winning 12-10 in the 5th at the tender age of 200, I'm certain he played Fred Perry. I am sure Andy has a fairly solid and reproducible game plan to deal with Ivo hopefully he will be able to execute it, good practice for Issie in the next round!

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As Andy said at least the points will be short.

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I have seen the stat about nobody having won a slam playing more than 3 five setters, but how much of that is circumstance. Let's be honest, if you are good enough and playing well enough to win a slam, it is highly unlikely that you will play 4 or 5 players good enough to take you to five sets during the course of one tournament.

Personally, I don't think Andy's two 5 setters will make much difference. He is in R3 and that is all that really matters.

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Bob in Spain wrote:

Didn't realise that Leon Smith was working with Aljaz at the moment. Guessing it is just an RG thing and not more permanent ?


From yesterday's Times:

Bedene has been in the emotional doldrums since suffering another disappointment at the hands of the International Tennis Federation in his bid to be allowed to represent Britain in the Davis Cup.

However, the Slovenia-born player has never previously reached the second round at Roland Garros and showed distinct fighting spirit to recover from a mediocre start to beat the qualifier.

Melzer, bigger and stronger than Bedene, with a far greater weight of shot, was undone by the adopted Briton's touch and superior movement around the court.

Bedene is playing under the tutelage of Leon Smith, Britain's Davis Cup captain, and much of the work that has been done of late has been to regain confidence after the 26-year-old was left so demoralised by the ITF's judgment that he also retired from two tournaments.

"It's really important to come out as a winner today. but it wasn't easy," said Bedene, who had twice previously fallen at the first-round stage in Paris.  "I have been working a lot on [a] few things with Leon and he helped me.  When someone has got that much experience as he does, it just brings something extra." 

 



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Thanks SC

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Bob in Spain wrote:

I have seen the stat about nobody having won a slam playing more than 3 five setters, but how much of that is circumstance. Let's be honest, if you are good enough and playing well enough to win a slam, it is highly unlikely that you will play 4 or 5 players good enough to take you to five sets during the course of one tournament.

Personally, I don't think Andy's two 5 setters will make much difference. He is in R3 and that is all that really matters.


Absolutely. These first two round five settlers have for clay five settlers not been particularly arduous ( and the Stepanek one was split up ) and indeed they won't be generally long points vs Ivo whatever. 

I'd be much more concerned about Andy's form so far this week and his propensity, as he described, for err missing the court. Stats on the number of matches players can play crap in and still win a Slam title would be more interesting, although of course rather subjective.

Hopefully he can get it together again soon, although Ivo will hardly help in getting into rythym. The good thing is that he has generally been in such good form coming into RG so it is probably a lot about pushing the right buttons to find it again.

So for me, the five setters in these early stages as such not a great concern, the form in them yes a concern, but that can turn.



-- Edited by indiana on Friday 27th of May 2016 02:19:14 AM

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I was looking for some interview transcripts. Please can someone post a link if there a place that they live. I can only find videos.

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In a world where there are copious quantities of data there probably is objective data around the slam winner who has played most badly and still managed to win. However which stat or combination of stats is most significant or accurate surrogate for playing like a dogs dinner would need debate.

Total number of sets lost, proportion of sets lost per match or perhaps total number of games played , total number of times broken. Unforced errors, first serve percentage, proportion of points one on first serve, the objective data is there but interpretation challenging, perhaps a better expression would be interesting. 


Listening to Jim Courier commentating during the Bedene game (and I really enjoyed his performance of both) and the detail of analysis available I am sure he (or the USTA) already knows or has access to an or a few algorithms that makes that interpretation, very much in the way Billy Beane understood the value of on base percentage and its utility when using small ball tactics in baseball.



-- Edited by Oakland2002 on Friday 27th of May 2016 07:13:41 AM

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Halep and Osaka delaying Andy a bit by going to a final set, Halep lost the first.

4-6 6-2 2-1*



-- Edited by indiana on Friday 27th of May 2016 10:35:55 AM

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Strong start from Andy who is already 3-0* up.

But the number of empty seats in the stadium is an embarrassment.

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Good serve this Karlovic, but he's no Naomi Broady. Murray 4-0

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1st set in the bag at 6-1. Two more like that will do very nicely thank you.

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It's beginning to look rather as though normal Andy Murray service has finally been resumed, thank God! biggrin  Nice short points, just as he predicted. smile  After 10 sets & 7¼ hours on court in the first two matches, just what the doctor ordered.  Here's hoping he doesn't now have one of his customary wobbles! 



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Second set in the bag by 6-4.  Much better.



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