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RE: Andy's Competitors week 1


The Adelaide fact sheet shows the old system too, and we KNOW that is wrong - so I think Imoen is right, we will just have to wait and see what transpires.

Lord, all this has given me a headache and I'm no further forward!

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It's all seems very strange. I guess the only thing we can do is go with whatever we believe to the right the first week and then work it out for the second week based on whether those going out first round get any points!!


Does anyone have any ATP contacts? Or is there an email address somewhere that we could ask them?





The ATP rulebook for 2007 is available online, so that should help. The singles ranking points are on p. 159 at http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/ATP_Rulebook2007.pdf


It looks like the only tournaments that players will now get R1 points for are AMS events and grand slams (lucky for the Brits), for which you get 5, as before - all other ATP events and Challengers no longer have points for losing in R1.


You do still get 15 points for reaching R2 for the other higher level main tour events.


I assume the list you saw on steveg was out of date and based on last year's points.



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The ATP rulebook for 2007 is available online, so that should help. The singles ranking points are on p. 159 at http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/ATP_Rulebook2007.pdf



Well found!  I'd been searching high & low for the 2007 rulebook all yesterday.

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Ok, the table's updated: Andy on 0 points for R1 in Doha!



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Well found!  I'd been searching high & low for the 2007 rulebook all yesterday.


Looks like they put it up yesterday evening: it's now exactly where the 2006 book was when I was looking.

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Glad we've got that all sorted, didn't take long did it

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Here followeth the first lesson...


This breakdown of what could happen is subject to change as people withdraw and also may need amending after the draw has been made (for example if two people need to reach the semis to overtake but are drawn to meet in the quarters the number of places Andy can lose will be reduced).


Andy has an 18th result of 40 so must reach the quarters before he can increase his points total, let alone ranking.


If Andy loses in the first or second round: I'll cry. And, the following could overtake: Gasquet, if he reaches the quarters of Adelaide; Hewitt if he reaches the final of Adelaide; and Stepanek if he reaches the final of Adelaide.
Best case: 17 (no change)
Worst case: 20 (-3)


If Andy loses in the quarters: I might still cry depending on the scoreline and the opponent. Andy would overtake Djokovic, providing he went out before the quarters in Adeliade. He could then lose places to: Gasquet, if he reached the semis in Adelaide; and Hewitt, if he won in Adelaide.
Best case: 16 (+1)
Worst case: 19 (-2)


If Andy loses in the semis: I won't cry. He would overtake Djokovic, providing he went out before the final of Adelaide. He could lose places to: Gasquet, if he reached the final in Adelaide; and Hewitt, if he won in Adelaide.
Best case: 16 (+1)
Worst case: 19 (-2)


If Andy loses in the final: I'd be pretty happy. He would overtake Djokovic, unless Djokovic won in Adelaide. He would also overtake Nieminen, unless he (Nieminen) won in Adelaide (they would be on the same points if they both lost the final but Nieminen has 10 less from compulsory tournaments so Andy would be in front). He would definitely overtake Ferrer. He could lose places to Gasquet if he won in Adelaide.
Best case: 14 (+3)
Worst case: 15 (+2)


If Andy wins in Doha: I'd be extremely happy. He would definitely overtake Djokovic, Nieminen and Ferrer. And could be overtaken by nobody.
Best case: 14 (+3)
Worst case: 14 (+3)


So basically all pins into Djokovic, Gasquet, Hewitt, Stepanek and Nieminen. And whatever we can do to make the Adelaide draw have all five of them in the same half would be great!



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If he makes the top sixteen after this tournament will that guarantee him top 16 seedng at Melbourne???

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If Andy loses in the first or second round: I'll cry.


If Andy loses in the quarters: I might still cry depending on the scoreline and the opponent.


If Andy loses in the semis: I won't cry.


If Andy loses in the final: I'd be pretty happy.


If Andy wins in Doha: I'd be extremely happy.




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If he makes the top sixteen after this tournament will that guarantee him top 16 seedng at Melbourne???


That's my understanding

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johnnylad wrote:


If he makes the top sixteen after this tournament will that guarantee him top 16 seedng at Melbourne???


That's my understanding



I really hope he does! That could make all the difference!

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RobC wrote:



johnnylad wrote:


If he makes the top sixteen after this tournament will that guarantee him top 16 seedng at Melbourne???


That's my understanding



I really hope he does! That could make all the difference!




Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the case, so Andy really must reach the quarters at least!


As for my happiness depending on Andy, 'tis true, don't disappoint me Andy, I may never recover



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So basically all pins into Djokovic, Gasquet, Hewitt, Stepanek and Nieminen. And whatever we can do to make the Adelaide draw have all five of them in the same half would be great!




The Finnish pins worked their magic! Nieminen has withdrawn from Adelaide.

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Table updated for Haas's withdrawal from Doha.

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Well done people, the pins are working well!


I'll update the 'what can happen' post (I'll decide nearer the time whether to just edit or do a whole new post) when the draws come out. Any idea when that might be?



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