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RobC


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Well I guess it's time we checked out how Andy's ranking might be affected by the action in week 1. Here's the table of the players around Andy's position (C)GC77.


 


 


Running     Start of week                Running  So      18th  Def1  19th
Rank  rank  name                 points  Points   Far     Result      Result
10    10    Fernando Gonzalez    2015    2015     out      55         50
11    12    Marcos Baghdatis     1860    1860  60D-out     20   60    15
12    11    Tommy Haas           1890    1855     out     100  110    75
13    13    Tomas Berdych        1705    1655     out      55   75    25
14    16    Novak Djokovic       1380    1530   175A       25         15
15    17    Andy Murray          1370    1505   175D       40         15
16    14    David Ferrer         1475    1475     out      25         20
17    15    Jarkko Nieminen      1460    1460     out      75         75
18    18    Richard Gasquet      1365    1385  40A-out     20         15
19    20    Lleyton Hewitt       1315    1315  20A-out     40          5
20    19    Radek Stepanek       1340    1285  20A-out     15   75    15
21    22    Dmitry Tursunov      1190    1190     out      80         60
22    21    Dominik Hrbaty       1238    1183   0A-out     40   75    20
23    25    Robin Soderling      1028    1083 110D-out     55         40
24    23    Juan Carlos Ferrero  1080    1080     out       5          5
25    24    Mikhail Youzhny      1075    1075  60D-out     15   60     8


Doha (D)           250 175 110 60 25 0 (10) 
Chennai (C )      175 120 75 40 15 0 (5)   
Adelaide(A)       175 120 75 40 rr20 ko10 1r0  (5)


 


Players in Bold are in action in week 1


Players in italics have advanced ranking places on Sunday..


Underlined Players were knocked out on Saturday. 



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Well, that's how things stand right now. I'd expect a few players to withdraw, and maybe one to get a wildcard into a draw......


Stepanek, Hrbaty and Youzhny all drop ranking places because of points they are defending from 2006.


Also, please note that the ranking points for 2007 competitions don't seem to have been formally published. I gather that Adelaide  round 1 losers don't get any points, nor do those who go out without winning a match in the Round Robin group, who didn't go through the knockout round.


Whether round 1 losers get points in Dubai or Chennai isn't clear. So I've assumed they get 5 as they did in 2006.  None of the players in Andy's table woud have any use for a measly 5 points anyway.


I expect Bethan will be doing the in- depth analysis at some point over the next few weeks, so in the meantime, I'll just say that Andy can rise to 14th if he makes the final, and that Gasquet, Hewitt and Stepanek can all overtake him if they win in Adelaide.


 



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In depth will come probably by the end of the week, my table is all set up so it's just a case of finding the time to sit down and type....


It's looking good for Andy though provided he can do well this first week.



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Rob, my reading of the RR format explanation is that ALL tournaments will not give points to first round losers.

"The last important aspect with regards to points is that players who lose in the knockout stage or player s who do not win round robin matches will not earn any points. That is in line with the new ATP ranking procedure of not giving points to first round losers at all the other events. Only wins will give players points"

I confess I don't understand this. If losers get no points and winners get second round points, then nobody gets first round points???

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Madeline wrote:

Rob, my reading of the RR format explanation is that ALL tournaments will not give points to first round losers.

"The last important aspect with regards to points is that players who lose in the knockout stage or player s who do not win round robin matches will not earn any points. That is in line with the new ATP ranking procedure of not giving points to first round losers at all the other events. Only wins will give players points"

I confess I don't understand this. If losers get no points and winners get second round points, then nobody gets first round points???


My reading of it is:


Roound 1 Adelaide: Del Potro beats Spadea (sorry Vince!)  Del Potro gets 10 points, Spadea gets 0


Round- Robin round: Del Potro vs Djokovic & Clement.  Djoko wins both his matches, and Del Potro beats Clement.  Djoko gets 40 for reaching the quarters. Clement gets 0, Del Potro gets another 20 for winning his game against Clement, and goes out with 30 points in the bag.


- does that make sense?


 


 



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Yes, but I'm talking about the non-RR tourneys, the bit I emboldened.

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So do we think that the Chennai points will be 0 for a first round loss, 15 for a second round loss etc etc??

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Dunno. I am totally confused. (so what is new)

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Madeline wrote:

Dunno. I am totally confused. (so what is new)

Did Seagul not do a really good post on the new system ?

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Here is the thread...does it help ?

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=61841&p=3&topicID=9423134

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The good news is....I think I finally understand all the columns on that table! Took me long enough. Basically....Andy needs to get to the third round to get any points, but he can't lose anything. Right?

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Drew wrote:

Here is the thread...does it help ?

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=61841&p=3&topicID=9423134


kind- of.....


I think it's the same thing that's been posted on steveg, and it certainly makes what happens in the Round- Robin events clear ("clear" being a relative term")


But I can't find anything that confirms what happens in the non- round- robin tournaments, such as Doha and Chennai, for first round losers. In 2006, they got 5 points.  In 2007, I think they might not get any.



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RedCabbage wrote:

The good news is....I think I finally understand all the columns on that table! Took me long enough. Basically....Andy needs to get to the third round to get any points, but he can't lose anything. Right?


Welcome to the brotherhood!  Yes, andy can't lose anything, and will only score more than his 18th result if he makes the quarters and picks up 60 points.


Meanwhile, Berdych is defending 55 points from last year, so these come off his total and his 19th result, a 15 replaces it, so he ends up losing 40 points.



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Right, I have been rootling around trying to make sense of what happens in points in non-RR tournaments. If you look at the Chennai fact sheet on steveg, the points work exactly the same as last year - 5 for first round.

So I haven't a clue what that reference to no points for losers in the first round in other tournaments in the RR explanation, is all about. Nothing seems to have changed.

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It's all seems very strange. I guess the only thing we can do is go with whatever we believe to the right the first week and then work it out for the second week based on whether those going out first round get any points!!


Does anyone have any ATP contacts? Or is there an email address somewhere that we could ask them?



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