Andy's Competitors Week 28 (Newport etc..)redux

RobC · All-time great

RE: Andy's Competitors Week 28 (Newport etc..)redux

Michael · Pro player

Karlovic lost which is good for the list and also Andy's hopes of winning Newport. Only Pihilippoussis and Fish left as real threats.

nads · Junior player

Madeline wrote:

I think you are getting ahead of yourself, nads. The current 18th score is 21 from Mons, which IF HE WAS NOT DEFENDING would be replaced by this tournament if the score is more than 21.

His current points total INCLUDES the score he is defending, 60 from Aptos, but this is about to drop out, leaving him with only 17 counting tournaments in the total. So you have to add in the current 19th, 16 from Vancouver, which now becomes his 18th highest score, to replace the points that are dropping off, unless he scores more than 16 this tournament in which case this tournament is the one that replaces the one dropping off.

That's a bit involved I know, but I can't find an easier way to describe it!

I think I understood that in our table we're not counting the 60 from Aptos any more as he looses them this week, and we're instead moving the 16 up to be 18th result, thus getting to 901-60+16 = 857

What now confuses me is why we don't reflect that in the 18th and 19th result column in the table. Do you wait with that until you're sure that this week's result won't surpass the 18th, and thus move them back down?

I don't pretend I fully get this, but I am starting to get there I think.

nads · Junior player

I didn't mean the detailed review as any kind of criticism, I was just bored stiff to such an extent I had nothing better to do than compare both tables

RobC · All-time great

nads wrote:

What now confuses me is why we don't reflect that in the 18th and 19th result column in the table. Do you wait with that until you're sure that this week's result won't surpass the 18th, and thus move them back down? I don't pretend I fully get this, but I am starting to get there I think.

Hi Nads, that's exactly it.

The calculation right now is:

Take Andy's score at the start of the week - 901

If he's defending points, then

Subtract the points he is defending: -60

Add the 19th score to the total: +16 = 857

When his current tournament score goes above his 19th score (i.e. when he gets to the QF) subtract his 19th score, and add the current tournament score: -16+40 = 881.

note that the 18th score isn't used for this calculation.

Wheras for someone not defending points:

For example, Robin Soderling.

Take Soderling's points at the start of the week: 848

If he's not defending points, then

When his current tournament score goes above his 18th score (i.e. when he gets to R2) subtract his 18th score, and add the current tournament score: -5+15 = 858

note that the 19th score isn't used for this calculation.

Hope that helps, hope that explains why the 18th & 19th scores are there, and why its the 18th & 19th at the start of the week, rather than the "current" 18th & 19th scores that we use

RobC · All-time great

While Andy was giving us all heart attacks, Kevin Kim, who had a remote chance of overtaking Tim was knocked out by Dancevic.

On centre court, Mardy Fish is a break up against Saulnier

RobC · All-time great

First post updated. Almagro, Mirnyi and Fish advanced

RobC · All-time great

Well Andy had a much easier time of it in Europe than he did in the US.

Competitors dropped like flies. Above him, Johansson and Matthieu opened things up for him, while behind him Moya, Chela and Serra joined Simon and Martin in doing the decent thing. Worst case now is 41st, rather than 44th at the start of the week.

Only Jonas Bjorkman didn't complete round 1.

If Andy wins in Newport he can still jump 10 places to 29th! He still needs Bjorkman to go out in R1, Acasuso in the quarters and Massu and Soderling, not to win their tournaments. Worst case is a 7 place jump to 32nd.

For a finals place, he can jump 6 places to 33rd. He needs Massu and Soderling not to make their final and Almagro not to win his tournaments. Worst case he only jumps 4 places to 35th.

For a semis place, he can regain his start of the week ranking, and advance one to 35th. He needs Massu and Soderling not to make the semis, and Almagro to not make the final. Worst case he gains two places to 37th.

For a quarters place, he regains 38th. He needs Soderling to lose in R2 and Almagro to lose in the semis. Worst case he drops one to 40th.

For R2 loss, he gains no points, and has to look over his shoulder. Almagro needs a semi- final place, and Mirnyi needs to win his tournament. Worst case he drops 2 places to 41st.

Tim and Greg didn't have too bad a time of it either.

Worst case for Tim is now to drop 7 places to 69 if Rochus, Lopez and Fish makes the semis, Vik, Kohlschreiber and Dlouhymake their final, Mayer and Pavel win their tournaments. Unfortunately on Vik or Rochus would meet on the way, so seven of the eight could do it. Still, 7 places is way better than the 11 he could have been facing before round 1.

For Greg, worst case is now to drop just 4 places to 61. this would need Gasquet, Ramirez- Hidalgo and Rochus to make the semis, Lopez, Fish and Vik to make their final and Kohlschreiber and Dlouhy to win their tournaments. Five of the eight meet on the way, so only four can achieve these targets.

RobC · All-time great

Today's Action sees

Fish in Newport, Bjorkman, Dlouhy, Massu and Acasuso in Bastad and Kohlschreiber, Ramirez-Hidalgo and Lopezin Gstaad.

Most urgent is Bjorkman who must be broken twice as his match is completed.

Then we want Fish out of the game as soon as possible.

We don't mind which of Massu and Acasuso and Ramirez- Hidalgo and Lopez make it through when they play each other.

Dlouhy and Kohlschreiber are both only outside chances to overtake Tim & Greg.

-- Edited by RobC at 09:42, 2006-07-12

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

Rob, you have been so busy working out who we need to stick pins into, that you have forgotten to award Andy his second round points.....

Not that it makes any difference to his total score at present of course.

Drew · Jul 12, 2006

"Who is IN and Who is OUT" table updated on page 1 just after the main GC77 table.

RobC · All-time great

Madeline wrote:

Rob, you have been so busy working out who we need to stick pins into, that you have forgotten to award Andy his second round points..... Not that it makes any difference to his total score at present of course.

hmmm - does that make me less of a Murray fan, and more of an Andy's competitors fan? my priorities are all skew- whiff.

RobC · All-time great

Dlouhy out - that's one less place lost for both Tim & Greg

Bjorkman v Waske is next on court. Come on you Waske! you saw Andy come from 2 breaks down yesterday - you can do it!

RobC · All-time great

and Mr Waske does us proud: holds serve, and it's 5-3 against Bjorkman!

-- Edited by RobC at 12:15, 2006-07-12

Madeline · Admin:Moderator + Tennis Legend

C'mon Alexander (sorry, Jonas!)